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Pakhtoon
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Post by Pakhtoon » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:33 pm

I googled CCL but their website doesn't seem to be online anymore.
Here is the report though,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 113558.stm

Its from June 2009 saying the decision will come out the following month i.e. July 09 but I assume there is no decision yet.
“Terrorism is the war of the poor; war is the terrorism of the rich.â€

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Post by rajamahmood85 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:09 pm

meats wrote:
rajamahmood85 wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:rajamehmood and meats, you both need to go out together and have a few drinks. That will sort both of you out.

I would love to buy it for you but I am too far.
Where r u?
He's in Poland.
So Would u like to come and have drink ?

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Post by Pakhtoon » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:22 pm

Sure why not :) I am actually coming to London next Wednesday on a business trip. You should invite meats too.
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Post by rajamahmood85 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:32 pm

inwarsaw wrote:Sure why not :) I am actually coming to London next Wednesday on a business trip. You should invite meats too.
Yes,Ofcourse, Meats is invites. It is anyway ur idea that we should have drink together.

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Post by meats » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:49 pm

inwarsaw wrote:I googled CCL but their website doesn't seem to be online anymore.
Here is the report though,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 113558.stm

Its from June 2009 saying the decision will come out the following month i.e. July 09 but I assume there is no decision yet.
Their appeal was rejected last month or November.

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Post by Pakhtoon » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:27 pm

rajamahmood85 wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:Sure why not :) I am actually coming to London next Wednesday on a business trip. You should invite meats too.
Yes,Ofcourse, Meats is invites. It is anyway ur idea that we should have drink together.
Yes but you probably misunderstood me, I was suggesting you and meat go out to have a few drinks together because you both were jumping down each other's throats :)
“Terrorism is the war of the poor; war is the terrorism of the rich.â€

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Post by rajamahmood85 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:45 pm

inwarsaw wrote:
rajamahmood85 wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:Sure why not :) I am actually coming to London next Wednesday on a business trip. You should invite meats too.
Yes,Ofcourse, Meats is invites. It is anyway ur idea that we should have drink together.
Yes but you probably misunderstood me, I was suggesting you and meat go out to have a few drinks together because you both were jumping down each other's throats :)
Ok
Inwasaw
im not sure whether Mr. Meats would give me this privilege or not.
So I think I should stop thinking abt this.

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Post by meats » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:58 pm

rajamahmood85 wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:
rajamahmood85 wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:Sure why not :) I am actually coming to London next Wednesday on a business trip. You should invite meats too.
Yes,Ofcourse, Meats is invites. It is anyway ur idea that we should have drink together.
Yes but you probably misunderstood me, I was suggesting you and meat go out to have a few drinks together because you both were jumping down each other's throats :)
Ok
Inwasaw
im not sure whether Mr. Meats would give me this privilege or not.
So I think I should stop thinking abt this.
You'd have to be quick as i might have to go up to Scotland next week for work. I'm hoping that Scotland stays covered in snow so i don't have to though :)

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hi ccl brothers

Post by munirabid » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:00 pm

i am genuine student of ccl and i applied for further leave to remain as a student on 17 nov 2008 and home office hold my passport 13 months and refused my application on 16 dec 2009 i provide them my attendance record and other important document and both of principal letters and they refused my visa application on verification matter and they returned my all documents including my attendance records.if any body need help in high court to make the ccl case strong so i can give my documents to you and today i just launched my appeal against home office decision. if you want to discuss and want my ccl documents please email me munirabid@hotmail.com


thanks

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Re: hi ccl brothers

Post by ajmal » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:27 pm

munirabid wrote:i am genuine student of ccl and i applied for further leave to remain as a student on 17 nov 2008 and home office hold my passport 13 months and refused my application on 16 dec 2009 i provide them my attendance record and other important document and both of principal letters and they refused my visa application on verification matter and they returned my all documents including my attendance records.if any body need help in high court to make the ccl case strong so i can give my documents to you and today i just launched my appeal against home office decision. if you want to discuss and want my ccl documents please email me munirabid@hotmail.com


thanks



Why somebody needs your attendence record to prove in Court that they were studying? and who told you to give your attendence record and Principal letters at the time of applying Visa in 2008?

Regarding Genuine or Non Genuine its now for the Court to decide and by the way CCL Students Appeal against Test case Decision is already in Advance stage and they already Got very hard evidence to prove there point

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Post by Pakhtoon » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:41 pm

meats wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:I googled CCL but their website doesn't seem to be online anymore.
Here is the report though,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 113558.stm

Its from June 2009 saying the decision will come out the following month i.e. July 09 but I assume there is no decision yet.
Their appeal was rejected last month or November.
Are you sure ? because no one mentioned that on this thread and there are still guys talking about appeals and stuff.
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Post by PaperPusher » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:41 pm

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKIAT/2009/00031.html
Cambridge College of Learning (CCOL) never ran a Postgraduate Diploma in Business Management course or a Postgraduate Diploma in IT course. Accordingly for a person applying for leave to remain under the Tier 1 (Post-Study Work) scheme to rely on a certificate of an award of such a diploma following a course will amount to a false representation and so will fall foul of para 322(1A) of the Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules HC 395. Such a person will also be unable to meet the requirements of para 245Z because he or she could never have undertaken such a course.

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Post by meats » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:44 pm

inwarsaw wrote:
meats wrote:
inwarsaw wrote:I googled CCL but their website doesn't seem to be online anymore.
Here is the report though,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 113558.stm

Its from June 2009 saying the decision will come out the following month i.e. July 09 but I assume there is no decision yet.
Their appeal was rejected last month or November.
Are you sure ? because no one mentioned that on this thread and there are still guys talking about appeals and stuff.
I'm pretty sure that they said a few pages back on here that it was rejected in court.

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Post by wait » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:23 am

it does look like tht ajmal is also from ccl thts y he is so keen n so fraustrated on thiz issue lolz cheers

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Post by rajamahmood85 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:58 am

PaperPusher wrote:http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKIAT/2009/00031.html
Cambridge College of Learning (CCOL) never ran a Postgraduate Diploma in Business Management course or a Postgraduate Diploma in IT course. Accordingly for a person applying for leave to remain under the Tier 1 (Post-Study Work) scheme to rely on a certificate of an award of such a diploma following a course will amount to a false representation and so will fall foul of para 322(1A) of the Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules HC 395. Such a person will also be unable to meet the requirements of para 245Z because he or she could never have undertaken such a course.
very good.

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ccl

Post by wickhamme » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:35 pm

rajamahmood85 wrote:
PaperPusher wrote:http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKIAT/2009/00031.html
Cambridge College of Learning (CCOL) never ran a Postgraduate Diploma in Business Management course or a Postgraduate Diploma in IT course. Accordingly for a person applying for leave to remain under the Tier 1 (Post-Study Work) scheme to rely on a certificate of an award of such a diploma following a course will amount to a false representation and so will fall foul of para 322(1A) of the Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules HC 395. Such a person will also be unable to meet the requirements of para 245Z because he or she could never have undertaken such a course.
very good.
ok guys
today i recieved letter from Ait after my hearing with them, appeal has been dismissed as already told to you guys.
i am posting some points from the letter.

submission made by H.O in my hearing- tribunal had stated that it considered that no person claiming to have undertaken a pgdm frm ccl can have done so without knowing that such claim amounted to a false rep.
decision and reasons- in immigration appeals the burden of proof is on the appellant(thats news to me i thought it was on H.O)
reason for refusal- the tribunal in test case have found that ccl never offered such course.the decision of the tribunal also goes so far as to say that students claiming to have studied on that course would have known that to claim to have taken such course amounted to false representation. nevertheless in this case the respondent has applied provision 322a of the immig rule which does not req that any false rep should hv been made to the applicants knowldge. so bearing in mind the findings in test case i am satisfied that the respondent was right in refusing the appellants application under para 322a.

i have been given 5days time to appeal against the above.

will keep on posting.

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Post by rajamahmood85 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:48 pm

wickhamme wrote:
rajamahmood85 wrote:
PaperPusher wrote:http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKIAT/2009/00031.html
Cambridge College of Learning (CCOL) never ran a Postgraduate Diploma in Business Management course or a Postgraduate Diploma in IT course. Accordingly for a person applying for leave to remain under the Tier 1 (Post-Study Work) scheme to rely on a certificate of an award of such a diploma following a course will amount to a false representation and so will fall foul of para 322(1A) of the Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules HC 395. Such a person will also be unable to meet the requirements of para 245Z because he or she could never have undertaken such a course.
very good.
ok guys
today i recieved letter from Ait after my hearing with them, appeal has been dismissed as already told to you guys.
i am posting some points from the letter.

submission made by H.O in my hearing- tribunal had stated that it considered that no person claiming to have undertaken a pgdm frm ccl can have done so without knowing that such claim amounted to a false rep.
decision and reasons- in immigration appeals the burden of proof is on the appellant(thats news to me i thought it was on H.O)
reason for refusal- the tribunal in test case have found that ccl never offered such course.the decision of the tribunal also goes so far as to say that students claiming to have studied on that course would have known that to claim to have taken such course amounted to false representation. nevertheless in this case the respondent has applied provision 322a of the immig rule which does not req that any false rep should hv been made to the applicants knowldge. so bearing in mind the findings in test case i am satisfied that the respondent was right in refusing the appellants application under para 322a.

i have been given 5days time to appeal against the above.

will keep on posting.
With every lose decision this case is losing its strength as well. I think u need to think something elso. Since home office has all the evidence.Specially test case of 3ccl students which showed ccl never offered any PG Diploma program.I dont know what to say but guys it is just wastage of time. http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKIAT/2009/00031.html
when i read the whole story on above link,I think it is very clear No chance with CCL case Unless any miracle happens. Miracles do happen.

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Post by Pakhtoon » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:48 pm

How many appeals can someone make ? I am curious because on this thread, guys just keep coming and saying 'They refused me, now I am going to appeal' from AIT ( I don't know whatever it is ), from Home Office, from High Court.

how many stages are there ?
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hi

Post by tanvirkhan » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:42 pm

hi..can any body plz give me any suggestion.. i got PSW on the basis of CCL diploma..then i travelled to Pakistan in july 2009...and still in Pakistan. now i want to go back to UK. can any body tell me plz what are my chances to enter into UK .. do every body at airports know about CCL case?what should i do?thanx

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Post by tanvirkhan » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:43 pm

my visa is going to expire in sep2010..........

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