*CCL* Test Case Determination is Out & Students Lost

Thanks for your reply!

I totally agree with you!

Cheers

One thing I don't understand that they ban for some students and some students don't have any Ban.[/quote]

I am sure everybody got ban if refused. If you read through u can find out that one year ban if you don't appeal and go voluntarily, 5 years if you go on govt. expenses and 10 years you are being deported by force.

one more thing, if you go through passport page by page, you will see one numeric number starting capital lettler B with thick underline underneath.

anyway all the best to sunshine. i am going to appeal as well next week.

Hi Picolla..it would be helpful if we could stay in contact to see how things progress as exchanging information is a key here.. my email ID is sunyxx009@hotmail.co.uk...

Cheers

Guys any news
I just appealed today. waiting for AIT response.

picolla wrote:Guys any news
I just appealed today. waiting for AIT response.

I applied for appeal as well.

picolla keep in touch,

Hi Picolla and Sunshine.... please stay in touch...i will appreciate if you guys could email me ...sunyxx009@hotmail.co.uk

Thanks

Where is all those guys? just couple of weeks ago who were regular member of this board. like salam, bex12, love ss

Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.

As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.

What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.

I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.

so how about those? who got PSW through ccl earlier. Dodgy people get away but whoever genuine, they are stuck in this drama.
In DIUS website, it is mentioned that listed bodies are those who deliver courses for time being that lead to degrees awarded by recognised bodies. In that sense, ccl was in listed bodies. That means they are delivering right course, otherwise it should not have been in the listed bodies.
And in HO website, in point based calculator, it is asked, where u studied for qualification is on the listed bodies or not
so ccl was on the listed bodies. obviously it was been checked by govt. bodies and include them in the listed bodies.
If HO refuse now, it is contradictory between ho and dcfs.

Frontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.

As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.

What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.

I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.

You have no right to call me an idiot, as i didnt said anyting to you.........If you got some problem with me.........Then please tell me and we will sort it out.........And by the way Frontrier mole is cheap idiot who wants some publicity and so he says he works in HO......

Hi all!

Guys I want you all to know that all CCL students should file a case against Home Office. Only those who have the evidence that they actually studied their should get together and file a ''collective case '' against HO.

Step-1: Appeal

Step-2 Judicial Review.

You will need top lawyers and to hire one, you guys need to be united and get the resources ready..

My refusal came through the post today so anyone wanting to pursue the fight against the system contact me on sunyxx009@hotmail.co.uk

Cheers

Frontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.

As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.

What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.

I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.

Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......

we have some proof that we are right.

I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.

badboy wrote:Hi all!

Guys I want you all to know that all CCL students should file a case against Home Office. Only those who have the evidence that they actually studied their should get together and file a ''collective case '' against HO.

Step-1: Appeal

Step-2 Judicial Review.

You will need top lawyers and to hire one, you guys need to be united and get the resources ready..

My refusal came through the post today so anyone wanting to pursue the fight against the system contact me on sunyxx009@hotmail.co.uk

Cheers

No one will speand that much money. Only thing we can do keep in touch with each other and give information to each other.

Make sure no one updating any information on this forum other wise may be we will be in trouble.....You know what i mean.......

picolla wrote:so how about those? who got PSW through ccl earlier. Dodgy people get away but whoever genuine, they are stuck in this drama.
In DIUS website, it is mentioned that listed bodies are those who deliver courses for time being that lead to degrees awarded by recognised bodies. In that sense, ccl was in listed bodies. That means they are delivering right course, otherwise it should not have been in the listed bodies.
And in HO website, in point based calculator, it is asked, where u studied for qualification is on the listed bodies or not
so ccl was on the listed bodies. obviously it was been checked by govt. bodies and include them in the listed bodies.
If HO refuse now, it is contradictory between ho and dcfs.

All this has been thrashed out before in previous posts.

To cover the bare bones:-

CCL is not and never was a degree awarding body.
CCL issued PGD's that were accredited by CCL.
The PGD's are worthless as the issuing body CCL has stated they are fake.
The DIUS register is nothing more than a list of educational establishment approved to deliver training and education. It is not a form of accreditation.
DIUS listing does not automatically mean you are an awarding body or that your qualifications are of any value.
DIUS covers all establishments not just degree level institutions. Hence CCL being on the register does not mean it was a degree level institution.
As for Government approval - that is not the case. The college was not OFSTED approved, it was accredited with private organisations only.


Those that previously received PSW visa on the basis of a CCL PGD will be revoked or worse still be banned when they make their next visa application. It will take time due to the volume of the cases. Presently they are dealing with the backlog of CCL based PSW applications.

Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......

we have some proof that we are right.

I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.

Remember the proof you need is that the qualification that you are relying on is real. Proof of attendance or study is of no value in these circumstances. PBS is a simple calculation based process that only awards points on the basis of evidence. The evidence put forward by UKBA in this circumstance is that the qualification is not real so therefore you can not be awarded the points.

Whatever your claim it has to be outlined in the appeal application. There are no surprises in the appeal process, no mystery witnesses on the day of the hearing etc. So unless you can produce hard evidence that the qualification is real and has meaning then you will fail.

The same can be said for UKBA – they will need to provide evidence that the position they maintain is based on hard evidence. This could be any manner of things, trans scripts of interviews from the college operators, evidence gathered at the raid, witness statements from students who bought their awards ( oh yes!), fake qualification lists stating who paid what & when, evidence by omission – the lack of examination papers or course work and on and on it goes.

The court could happily accept you studied, produced course work and even sat exams. Those activities do not make the qualification acceptable or genuine. I think many believe if they can prove they did these activities it adds weight to the claim the qualification is worth while. That is not the case. The court can concede all that you argue but it will not change the weight given to the qualification. It is still a fake qualification. Those that bought the qualification straight off the shelf or those that studied to gain the qualification are in no better position. They all have the same bit of worthless paper, it is simply not a recognised qualification. If it is not recognised then it is irrelevant how you came by the document.

If you find a diamond ring or buy a diamond ring and in both instances it is a fake diamond then the outcome is the same. You have a fake diamond ring!
You will have more of a point in law if you bought it but if the seller is not there any longer then you are no better off. In the simplest of terms that is why everyone relying on the CCL PGD qualifications is in the same boat.

Frontier Mole wrote:

Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......

we have some proof that we are right.

I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.

Remember the proof you need is that the qualification that you are relying on is real. Proof of attendance or study is of no value in these circumstances. PBS is a simple calculation based process that only awards points on the basis of evidence. The evidence put forward by UKBA in this circumstance is that the qualification is not real so therefore you can not be awarded the points.

Whatever your claim it has to be outlined in the appeal application. There are no surprises in the appeal process, no mystery witnesses on the day of the hearing etc. So unless you can produce hard evidence that the qualification is real and has meaning then you will fail.

The same can be said for UKBA – they will need to provide evidence that the position they maintain is based on hard evidence. This could be any manner of things, trans scripts of interviews from the college operators, evidence gathered at the raid, witness statements from students who bought their awards ( oh yes!), fake qualification lists stating who paid what & when, evidence by omission – the lack of examination papers or course work and on and on it goes.

The court could happily accept you studied, produced course work and even sat exams. Those activities do not make the qualification acceptable or genuine. I think many believe if they can prove they did these activities it adds weight to the claim the qualification is worth while. That is not the case. The court can concede all that you argue but it will not change the weight given to the qualification. It is still a fake qualification. Those that bought the qualification straight off the shelf or those that studied to gain the qualification are in no better position. They all have the same bit of worthless paper, it is simply not a recognised qualification. If it is not recognised then it is irrelevant how you came by the document.

If you find a diamond ring or buy a diamond ring and in both instances it is a fake diamond then the outcome is the same. You have a fake diamond ring!
You will have more of a point in law if you bought it but if the seller is not there any longer then you are no better off. In the simplest of terms that is why everyone relying on the CCL PGD qualifications is in the same boat.

+1

I just love the fact that throughout this all, everyone seems to have forgotten that they are supposed to know each other, no need therefore to request only those with evidence stick together. This is a small college in a business centre/office block. And I still have had no answer to my questions about the number of classrooms, or even the numbers in any one's class!!

Saying that, it would be a simple test, get someone on the door. All those they recognise from their class get in to talk & plan, anyone else gets sent on their way.

I would prefer it if they hire a big hall for the 1000 or however many "students" & then plan how to explain to the Judge that they all fit in their classsroom.

PaperPusher wrote:I just love the fact that throughout this all, everyone seems to have forgotten that they are supposed to know each other, no need therefore to request only those with evidence stick together. This is a small college in a business centre/office block. And I still have had no answer to my questions about the number of classrooms, or even the numbers in any one's class!!

Saying that, it would be a simple test, get someone on the door. All those they recognise from their class get in to talk & plan, anyone else gets sent on their way.

I would prefer it if they hire a big hall for the 1000 or however many "students" & then plan how to explain to the Judge that they all fit in their classsroom.

I agree with FM. What he said is absolutely right. And student those are linked with BITE,CCL and LCMIT can not do anything against HO. ANd those already got visa from these insititutes, thier visas will be revoked.

PaperPusher wrote:I just love the fact that throughout this all, everyone seems to have forgotten that they are supposed to know each other, no need therefore to request only those with evidence stick together. This is a small college in a business centre/office block. And I still have had no answer to my questions about the number of classrooms, or even the numbers in any one's class!!

Saying that, it would be a simple test, get someone on the door. All those they recognise from their class get in to talk & plan, anyone else gets sent on their way.

I would prefer it if they hire a big hall for the 1000 or however many "students" & then plan how to explain to the Judge that they all fit in their classsroom.

I agree with FM. What he said is absolutely right. And student those are linked with BITE,CCL and LCMIT can not do anything against HO. ANd those already got visa from these insititutes, thier visas will be revoked.

Frontier Mole wrote:

Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......

we have some proof that we are right.

I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.

Remember the proof you need is that the qualification that you are relying on is real. Proof of attendance or study is of no value in these circumstances. PBS is a simple calculation based process that only awards points on the basis of evidence. The evidence put forward by UKBA in this circumstance is that the qualification is not real so therefore you can not be awarded the points.

Whatever your claim it has to be outlined in the appeal application. There are no surprises in the appeal process, no mystery witnesses on the day of the hearing etc. So unless you can produce hard evidence that the qualification is real and has meaning then you will fail.

The same can be said for UKBA – they will need to provide evidence that the position they maintain is based on hard evidence. This could be any manner of things, trans scripts of interviews from the college operators, evidence gathered at the raid, witness statements from students who bought their awards ( oh yes!), fake qualification lists stating who paid what & when, evidence by omission – the lack of examination papers or course work and on and on it goes.

The court could happily accept you studied, produced course work and even sat exams. Those activities do not make the qualification acceptable or genuine. I think many believe if they can prove they did these activities it adds weight to the claim the qualification is worth while. That is not the case. The court can concede all that you argue but it will not change the weight given to the qualification. It is still a fake qualification. Those that bought the qualification straight off the shelf or those that studied to gain the qualification are in no better position. They all have the same bit of worthless paper, it is simply not a recognised qualification. If it is not recognised then it is irrelevant how you came by the document.

If you find a diamond ring or buy a diamond ring and in both instances it is a fake diamond then the outcome is the same. You have a fake diamond ring!
You will have more of a point in law if you bought it but if the seller is not there any longer then you are no better off. In the simplest of terms that is why everyone relying on the CCL PGD qualifications is in the same boat.

Thanks Frontier Mole for reply my msg.

I am not saying I will win but I try.

At this moment all CCl students are in same boat. we already get refusal, its not matter we will win or not. We don't have any thing to lose so its better we will go for appeal.

One thing more Frontier Mole I don't mind you saying go back to your country. This is ture, at the end we have to go so its no point to argue with you.

Some time its really hard to accept Ture.

So with the global economic crisis, you would rather give money away to a lawyer(who obviously knows you don't have a case) when that money will come in handy when you go back home? I just believe the smart move is to go back home because if you have plans to return in the future, challenging the decision will only make that even harder.

Diokpa wrote:So with the global economic crisis, you would rather give money away to a lawyer(who obviously knows you don't have a case) when that money will come in handy when you go back home? I just believe the smart move is to go back home because if you have plans to return in the future, challenging the decision will only make that even harder.

Diokpa, everyone have their own thinking so I can't say that you are wrong.

But even if I will not win then still I will get some thing. I am not giving money to lawyer without any reason.

sunshine11 wrote:

Diokpa wrote:So with the global economic crisis, you would rather give money away to a lawyer(who obviously knows you don't have a case) when that money will come in handy when you go back home? I just believe the smart move is to go back home because if you have plans to return in the future, challenging the decision will only make that even harder.

Diokpa, everyone have their own thinking so I can't say that you are wrong.

But even if I will not win then still I will get some thing. I am not giving money to lawyer without any reason.

Very true, I am sure you have it all worked out.

Frontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.

As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.

What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.

I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.

HI

fm white elite big fat pig of the britain..........how r u?

which facing home office u work meet me at any time in this number...........this number is only open for u.............

07787794245............................

i will wait for ur call............

salam123 wrote:

Frontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.

As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.

What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.

I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.

HI

fm white elite big fat pig of the britain..........how r u?

which facing home office u work meet me at any time in this number...........this number is only open for u.............

07787794245............................

i will wait for ur call............

salam123 wrote:which facing home office u work meet me at any time in this number...........this number is only open for u.............

Is there any need for bad language salam123?