June 2018 Restricted COS

blitzkrieg333 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:23 am

Da boms wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:05 am

optimist08 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:18 pm

It is also important to point out here that not all doctors and nurses are exempted from the cap, only doctors code 2211 and nurses code 2231 has been exempted. So please be mindful of the fact that only these categories of doctors and nurses will be exempted.

I just had to register to be able to reply this comment.First of all I am a doctor and some of my colleagues in SOC have gotten their COS approved.
Secondly I would like to know where you got this information from and how valid it is that only doctors and nurses belonging to those codes have been exempted from the cap because to the best of my knowledge the news says that “All doctors and nurses are exempted from tier 2 visa caps “
I had to research the code and I realize it stands for general practitioners .The more reason why I doubt this information because the NHS is in dire need of doctors in all specialties and not Only GPS and usually many GPs don’t require a RCOs because they already have their Tier 2 s
So If you could confirm where with facts where you got this information from.Enlighten us

Please can you help us understand what do you mean by the highlighted line above. Thanks.

Well it simply means that doctors get into specialty training to become GPS after working in the UK for at least 6months and you know that restricted COS is only needed for the first UK job?

Da boms wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:05 am

optimist08 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:18 pm

It is also important to point out here that not all doctors and nurses are exempted from the cap, only doctors code 2211 and nurses code 2231 has been exempted. So please be mindful of the fact that only these categories of doctors and nurses will be exempted.

I just had to register to be able to reply this comment.First of all I am a doctor and some of my colleagues in SOC have gotten their COS approved.
Secondly I would like to know where you got this information from and how valid it is that only doctors and nurses belonging to those codes have been exempted from the cap because to the best of my knowledge the news says that “All doctors and nurses are exempted from tier 2 visa caps “
I had to research the code and I realize it stands for general practitioners .The more reason why I doubt this information because the NHS is in dire need of doctors in all specialties and not Only GPS and usually many GPs don’t require a RCOs because they already have their Tier 2 s
So If you could confirm where with facts where you got this information from.Enlighten us

You can read further in this disclosure
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ssible.pdf

astana wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:31 am

Yes, the exploratory memorandum to the rule changes says that ‘all doctors and nurses’ will be exempt from the cap. It’s not just SOC code doctors, the government has been heavily criticised for not having enough doctors of all specialties and not just shortage listed ones

The exemption is only for the following SOC doctors code 2211 and nurses code 2231. Not all fields under this SOC will belong to SOL.

I'm still surprised. this month is not like any other month. This type of delay has never really happened before. I am hoping it's a positive delay. They should let us know already. I need to ensure that if I don't get through this month, I remind my company law firm to put in an application for next month. so am at 45 points non SOL, Finance field. We have done another RLMT at 50 points non SOL and it's ready for July intake. My bags are packed already!

Is it possible for your employer to apply with a higher salary ( for the sake of getting COS ) and then not pay you the same?

Uday Suri wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:24 am

Is it possible for your employer to apply with a higher salary ( for the sake of getting COS ) and then not pay you the same?

No, that is not permitted. You must be paid what is stated on the CoS and SOC.

Uday Suri wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:24 am

Is it possible for your employer to apply with a higher salary ( for the sake of getting COS ) and then not pay you the same?

Companies caught doing things like that might have their licenses revoked per my understanding...

nwokediy wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:23 am

I'm still surprised. this month is not like any other month. This type of delay has never really happened before. I am hoping it's a positive delay. They should let us know already. I need to ensure that if I don't get through this month, I remind my company law firm to put in an application for next month. so am at 45 points non SOL, Finance field. We have done another RLMT at 50 points non SOL and it's ready for July intake. My bags are packed already!

Agreed this month is unusual and the level of delay seems to be unprecedented as well - good move for the RLMT at higher points - I reckon it is worth for others to follow suit on that

nwokediy wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:23 am

I'm still surprised. this month is not like any other month. This type of delay has never really happened before. I am hoping it's a positive delay. They should let us know already. I need to ensure that if I don't get through this month, I remind my company law firm to put in an application for next month. so am at 45 points non SOL, Finance field. We have done another RLMT at 50 points non SOL and it's ready for July intake. My bags are packed already!

Is it possible to apply like this this month with one point and next month with another RLMT with change in points , Have you checked with you solicitors and employer.

9 days after the date and no one is hearing any word back is ridiculous, I can understand a slight delay but not to this extent. Surely they should be sure about some certain points brackets getting through already and be able to notify? Please post as soon as anything is heard! Hopefully by this afternoon some of us are getting some feedback.

Hi,

If Doctors and Nurses are off RCOS cap from July we will all get through in August. I have done this analysis but i cannot paste my excel workings here as this forum doesnt support html or images. In fact August will have 600 vacancies.

Hi,

Can you please briefly explain how did you analysed on what grounds or info did considered.Do we have any information of monthly allocation based on Job code and ratio of rejections and application made on monthly bases.

Thanks,

bbo wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:12 pm

Hi,

If Doctors and Nurses are off RCOS cap from July we will all get through in August. I have done this analysis but i cannot paste my excel workings here as this forum doesnt support html or images. In fact August will have 600 vacancies.

Woohoo! Thanks mate!

krithi1984 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:39 am

nwokediy wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:23 am

I'm still surprised. this month is not like any other month. This type of delay has never really happened before. I am hoping it's a positive delay. They should let us know already. I need to ensure that if I don't get through this month, I remind my company law firm to put in an application for next month. so am at 45 points non SOL, Finance field. We have done another RLMT at 50 points non SOL and it's ready for July intake. My bags are packed already!

Is it possible to apply like this this month with one point and next month with another RLMT with change in points , Have you checked with you solicitors and employer.

Yes it is. Remember... it is the employer who puts out the advert for RLMT at the higher rate of 50k according to HO rules. I applied again, and they use this new RLMT to apply for COS. Nothing wrong in that I presume. I recall alot of us here have don't the same too. The employer only needs to make sure that they pay you the higher salary as per the RLMT advert. .. and YES, my employer agreed to do this...

What about July? There is some indication that that doctors (some?) are out of the cap already, like the doctor who posted here who is not getting a CoS this month but receiving it in July instead

I’d like to know as it’s likely that my job might give up after July and I am on low thirties

I just contact my HR department and they informed me NO news until now. I´m waiting with 50´s non SIL, non NHS.

Batagin wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:29 pm

I just contact my HR department and they informed me NO news until now. I´m waiting with 50´s non SIL, non NHS.

exactly the same boat and also got an update with no news whatsoever

voldy1990 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:45 am

astana wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:31 am

Yes, the exploratory memorandum to the rule changes says that ‘all doctors and nurses’ will be exempt from the cap. It’s not just SOC code doctors, the government has been heavily criticised for not having enough doctors of all specialties and not just shortage listed ones

The exemption is only for the following SOC doctors code 2211 and nurses code 2231. Not all fields under this SOC will belong to SOL.

Its clear beyond doubt that all medical practitioners 2211 & all nurses 2231 are excluded from T2 cap.

All doctors and nurses are removed from tier 2 cap. Only difference is RLMT is still needed for those who are not on SOL and those on SOL donot need RLMT.
It is on gov.uk website

Sara Iqbal wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:45 pm

All doctors and nurses are removed from tier 2 cap. Only difference is RLMT is still needed for those who are not on SOL and those on SOL donot need RLMT.
It is on gov.uk website

7.15. Changes are being made to exempt doctors and nurses from the Tier 2 (General) limit. This is in response to the particular shortages and pressures facing the NHS at the current time, and the fact that the limit has been oversubscribed in each month since December 2017. The changes will mean that health sector employers will be able to sponsor doctors and nurses without requiring restricted Tier 2 certificates of sponsorship or putting pressure on the limit. This will free up places within the limit for other key roles which contribute to the UK economy and other public services. The changes will be kept under review. 7.16. In all other respects, the change preserves the existing arrangements. This means that all applications for nurses, and all applications for doctors not currently recognised on the Shortage Occupation List, will continue to be required to demonstrate that they have met the requirements of the Resident Labour Market Test. Doctors currently recognised on the Shortage Occupation List will continue to be exempt from the RLMT.

Anybody between 50 - 60 got approval today ?? ( under non-sol and non-nhs )

CR001 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:29 am

Uday Suri wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:24 am

Is it possible for your employer to apply with a higher salary ( for the sake of getting COS ) and then not pay you the same?

No, that is not permitted. You must be paid what is stated on the CoS and SOC.

Thanks for you feedback, much appreciated. What if the company wants to reduce your pay package over the course of time?

amazingbabu wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:54 pm

Anybody between 50 - 60 got approval today ?? ( under non-sol and non-nhs )

Waiting at 50 points - non SOL, non nhs. No response yet

Uday Suri wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:54 pm

CR001 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:29 am

Uday Suri wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:24 am

Is it possible for your employer to apply with a higher salary ( for the sake of getting COS ) and then not pay you the same?

No, that is not permitted. You must be paid what is stated on the CoS and SOC.

Thanks for you feedback, much appreciated. What if the company wants to reduce your pay package over the course of time?

All salary adjustments have to be reported on the SMS system. You are required to earn the salary stated per SOC and CoS. If your salary reduces due to hour reduction, that is a separate issue. Your employer cannot just pay you less now that you are 'in the UK on a visa'. You will have problems and your sponsor will risk losing their license and getting visits from HO. A genuine sponsor who follows the rules will know this. The Sponsor guidance notes set out very clearly what their requirements are.

amazingbabu wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:54 pm

Anybody between 50 - 60 got approval today ?? ( under non-sol and non-nhs )

Nope Waiting with 55 points non-SOL