May 2018 Restricted COS

Yojana · Post by **Yojana** » Wed May 23, 2018 2:40 pm

CR001 wrote: ↑
Wed May 23, 2018 11:42 am

Yojana wrote: ↑
Wed May 23, 2018 11:34 am
Thanks for responding!

My employer is a a 'qualifying company' (NHS) and my job description includes 'demonstrable experience of having a lead a team'.

RLMT would NOT be needed if the SOC was SOL.-> This is confusing as my employer did RLMT to apply for RCos.

Could you please guide me to know the exact application way (SOC/non SOC) in my case?
As this is their first experience, I need to dig in to get more details around it.

Thanks,
Yojana
I don't believe the NHS is a 'qualifying company'. Qualifying company does not mean an approved sponsor by the way so you are likely not on a shortage occupation SOC under 2136. Appendix K clearly states what a qualifying company is.

4. In this Appendix “qualifying company” means a company which:
(a) has obtained permission from the Home Office to issue a Certificate of Sponsorship in respect of the relevant job on the basis that the job is included on the Shortage Occupation List and the company:
(i) is licensed as a sponsor for the purposes of Tier 2 of the Points Based System,
(ii) at the time of obtaining such permission, employs between 20 and 250 employees (inclusive), or employs fewer than 20 employees and has provided a letter from the Department for International Trade, confirming that the Department has been working with the company and supports the application in relation to its trade or investment activity,
(iii) is not more than 25% owned by a company which has one or more other establishments in the UK and one of those establishments employs more than 250 employees; and
(iv) has not been established in the UK for the purpose of supplying services exclusively to a single company or company group in the UK; and

I have verified with my employer and got to know that my employer is “qualifying company” and have applied many in SOC before. Will my case fit then in SOC SOL?

thanks,
Yojana

CR001 · Post by **CR001** » Wed May 23, 2018 2:45 pm

Yojana wrote: ↑
Wed May 23, 2018 2:40 pm

CR001 wrote: ↑
Wed May 23, 2018 11:42 am

Yojana wrote: ↑
Wed May 23, 2018 11:34 am
Thanks for responding!

My employer is a a 'qualifying company' (NHS) and my job description includes 'demonstrable experience of having a lead a team'.

RLMT would NOT be needed if the SOC was SOL.-> This is confusing as my employer did RLMT to apply for RCos.

Could you please guide me to know the exact application way (SOC/non SOC) in my case?
As this is their first experience, I need to dig in to get more details around it.

Thanks,
Yojana
I don't believe the NHS is a 'qualifying company'. Qualifying company does not mean an approved sponsor by the way so you are likely not on a shortage occupation SOC under 2136. Appendix K clearly states what a qualifying company is.

4. In this Appendix “qualifying company” means a company which:
(a) has obtained permission from the Home Office to issue a Certificate of Sponsorship in respect of the relevant job on the basis that the job is included on the Shortage Occupation List and the company:
(i) is licensed as a sponsor for the purposes of Tier 2 of the Points Based System,
(ii) at the time of obtaining such permission, employs between 20 and 250 employees (inclusive), or employs fewer than 20 employees and has provided a letter from the Department for International Trade, confirming that the Department has been working with the company and supports the application in relation to its trade or investment activity,
(iii) is not more than 25% owned by a company which has one or more other establishments in the UK and one of those establishments employs more than 250 employees; and
(iv) has not been established in the UK for the purpose of supplying services exclusively to a single company or company group in the UK; and

I have verified with my employer and got to know that my employer is “qualifying company” and have applied many in SOC before. Will my case fit then in SOC SOL?

thanks,
Yojana

I think you are misunderstanding the 'qualifying company criteria'. Any sponsor can apply and issue many SOC's but not all jobs will be on the SOL. You seem to be confusing the SOC (standard occupation code) with the SOL (shortage occupation list).

NHS is not a qualifying company if you read what I have quoted form Appendix K above, particularly point (ii).

Tier2COS45PSOL · Post by **Tier2COS45PSOL** » Thu May 24, 2018 4:39 am

Still waiting.

senior systems engineer in an automotive company, 45k PA (not sure if this is under shortage-occupation-list). Potential employer did a RMLT anyways.
Applying for the first time; what would be my points and any possibility of clearance this month?

ashishkm · Post by **ashishkm** » Thu May 24, 2018 4:47 am

kannank wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 4:39 am
Still waiting.

senior systems engineer in an automotive company, 45k PA (not sure if this is under shortage-occupation-list). Potential employer did a RMLT anyways.
Applying for the first time; what would be my points and any possibility of clearance this month?

on what date they applied?

Tier2COS45PSOL · Post by **Tier2COS45PSOL** » Thu May 24, 2018 4:49 am

before 5th of May. Not sure of the exact date. Employer is A rated.

ibrahimkalyoncu · Post by **ibrahimkalyoncu** » Thu May 24, 2018 5:19 am

Rejected. 4th time we applied. Salary is 40k. Title is software developer. I don't know how long it will take...

ashishkm · Post by **ashishkm** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:44 am

kannank wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 4:49 am
before 5th of May. Not sure of the exact date. Employer is A rated.

by today or tomorrow it will be finalised or not sure if it is already. Please remind ur sponsor to check their Sponsorship system for ur status

Tier2COS45PSOL · Post by **Tier2COS45PSOL** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:48 am

ashishkm wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 7:44 am

kannank wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 4:49 am
before 5th of May. Not sure of the exact date. Employer is A rated.
by today or tomorrow it will be finalised or not sure if it is already. Please remind ur sponsor to check their Sponsorship system for ur status

thanks ashishkm,
nothing yet, fingers crossed.

can you please let me know if the role is under SOL?

ashishkm · Post by **ashishkm** » Thu May 24, 2018 8:42 am

kannank wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 7:48 am

ashishkm wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 7:44 am

kannank wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 4:49 am
before 5th of May. Not sure of the exact date. Employer is A rated.
by today or tomorrow it will be finalised or not sure if it is already. Please remind ur sponsor to check their Sponsorship system for ur status
thanks ashishkm,
nothing yet, fingers crossed.

can you please let me know if the role is under SOL?

it is difficult to find, unless we know the job code. once we know it (obviously it is part of SOC - standard occupation code), then with the code ,job title and description u have to check if it falls under SOL SHortage Occupation List)

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Thu May 24, 2018 8:58 am

Guys cut off is 55 this is confirmed news..
See ya all next month , let’s pray everything works out in June for all of us

Tier2COS45PSOL · Post by **Tier2COS45PSOL** » Thu May 24, 2018 9:00 am

ibrahimkalyoncu wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 5:19 am
Rejected. 4th time we applied. Salary is 40k. Title is software developer. I don't know how long it will take...

Hi ibrahimkalyoncu

can you please let us know your points.

weworkuk · Post by **weworkuk** » Thu May 24, 2018 10:37 am

What do you expect in rest of 2018 ? From my research on Google, it seems May will do action soon for doctors/nurses. Does it mean more positive for everyone?

Yojana · Post by **Yojana** » Thu May 24, 2018 10:39 am

Hi,

Thank you for clearing on SOC and SOL. Its really helpful. I had a talk with my employer and they said they have applied for many codes from SOL till now.

I am just trying to find whether I can apply in Shortage Occupant because I can see the minimum points never gonna fall to 40.

Thanks,
Yojana

nshar4 · Post by **nshar4** » Thu May 24, 2018 12:27 pm

weworkuk wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 10:37 am
What do you expect in rest of 2018 ? From my research on Google, it seems May will do action soon for doctors/nurses. Does it mean more positive for everyone?

you mean the month may or Theresa May

if its the latter apologies for being a bad news bearer she has already overruled the request from NHS/ Health care sector .

I expect the situation to be the same swinging between 50-55 pts each month if no policy changes made

hiriser · Post by **hiriser** » Thu May 24, 2018 5:20 pm

cali1234 wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 8:58 am
Guys cut off is 55 this is confirmed news..
See ya all next month , let’s pray everything works out in June for all of us

As per official site, min score for May was 51..At this moment all that we can do is to pray for the good time to come soon..Let’s hope for the best!

vigneshsarath · Post by **vigneshsarath** » Thu May 24, 2018 6:31 pm

So does that mean the decisions have been taken for all cos for the month of May? I haven't heard from my employer yet and they said my application is still on pending state. But in official site it is updated the results as on 22nd May and next meeting on 11th June. Someone please clarify

KennyKen · Post by **KennyKen** » Thu May 24, 2018 6:58 pm

Hi all,
According to the below conventional wisdom 51 is not an option in points. Either we all misunderstand the point system or the HO is now breaking it down salary wise eg. 51 points equal 51k. Would be really interested to hear who was refused and who was accepted in the non shortage 45k to 55k salary band, and what your salary is.

TOTAL POINTS = A + B as below.
PART 1 - Type of Job: A

• Shortage occupation: 130 points
• PhD-level occupation code and job passes Residence Labor Market Test (or an exemption applies): 75 points
• Job passes Resident Labor Market Test (or an exemption applies): 20 points

PART 2 - Salary: B

• £100,000 – £155,299.99 : 60 points
• £75,000 – £99,999.99 : 55 points
• £70,000 – £74,999.99 : 50 points
• £65,000 – £69,999.99 : 45 points
• £60,000 – £64,999.99 : 40 points
• £55,000 – £59,999.99 : 35 points
• £50,000 – £54,999.99 : 30 points
• £45,000 – £49,999.99 : 25 points
• £44,000 – £44,999.99 : 24 points
• £43,000 – £43,999.99 : 23 points
• £42,000 – £42,999.99 : 22 points
• £41,000 – £41,999.99 : 21 points
• £40,000 – £40,999.99 : 20 points
• £39,000 – £39,999.99 : 19 points
• £38,000 – £38,999.99 : 18 points

Abhay0811 · Post by **Abhay0811** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:34 pm

KennyKen wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 6:58 pm
Hi all,
According to the below conventional wisdom 51 is not an option in points. Either we all misunderstand the point system or the HO is now breaking it down salary wise eg. 51 points equal 51k. Would be really interested to hear who was refused and who was accepted in the non shortage 45k to 55k salary band, and what your salary is.

TOTAL POINTS = A + B as below.
PART 1 - Type of Job: A

• Shortage occupation: 130 points
• PhD-level occupation code and job passes Residence Labor Market Test (or an exemption applies): 75 points
• Job passes Resident Labor Market Test (or an exemption applies): 20 points

PART 2 - Salary: B

• £100,000 – £155,299.99 : 60 points
• £75,000 – £99,999.99 : 55 points
• £70,000 – £74,999.99 : 50 points
• £65,000 – £69,999.99 : 45 points
• £60,000 – £64,999.99 : 40 points
• £55,000 – £59,999.99 : 35 points
• £50,000 – £54,999.99 : 30 points
• £45,000 – £49,999.99 : 25 points
• £44,000 – £44,999.99 : 24 points
• £43,000 – £43,999.99 : 23 points
• £42,000 – £42,999.99 : 22 points
• £41,000 – £41,999.99 : 21 points
• £40,000 – £40,999.99 : 20 points
• £39,000 – £39,999.99 : 19 points
• £38,000 – £38,999.99 : 18 points

50k = 46p
51k = 47p
52k = 48p
53k = 49p
54k = 50p
55k = 51p

This is how I think it works ... the range above only specifies the max points one can have for that salary range.

Not claiming to be an expert on this.

MikeyTier2 · Post by **MikeyTier2** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:38 pm

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52 k salary got refused. I am non PhD, non NHS
???

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:44 pm

everyone in a salary range of 50000 54,999 is 50 points and everyone with 55k + salary till 60 k is 55 points .

Basically guys to get 51, 52,53,54 point is almost impossible this is again one of the home office elaborte way of not looking as bad on paper, but best not be fooled, the cut off salary was 55k and everyone with a salary below that was rejected

MikeyTier2 · Post by **MikeyTier2** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:48 pm

You have got it spot on Cali1234

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:51 pm

I dont want to be the bearer of bad news, but unless there is a policy change , dont see anyone below 45 going through.
I dont personally know any of you but as a well wisher Really , start looking for other countries and opportunities, dont spend your life in this constant stress, the home office and government have been aware of this situation since January and the PM herself vetoed the decision of removing the visa cap, matters have only been worse since then and the number of applicants per month have only risen.

lets face it guys the companies want us to work for them but the government thinks otherwise, sorry if I sound harsh but best of to come back to reality everyone. I spent many months on this site hoping for a miracle, following the news, writing letters to MPs in UK, signing petitions and have wasted precious months of my life . now I am trying to look for other opportunities and would recommend the same for you all with lower points

KennyKen · Post by **KennyKen** » Thu May 24, 2018 8:08 pm

That was what I suspected but was interested to see if I was wrong

anilisanil · Post by **anilisanil** » Thu May 24, 2018 8:59 pm

cali1234 wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 7:44 pm
everyone in a salary range of 50000 54,999 is 50 points and everyone with 55k + salary till 60 k is 55 points .

Basically guys to get 51, 52,53,54 point is almost impossible this is again one of the home office elaborte way of not looking as bad on paper, but best not be fooled, the cut off salary was 55k and everyone with a salary below that was rejected

There is one more category which is milk round for graduate and post graduates from UK universities. They get 30 points. So 51 points is possible if these people get salary of 41K

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Thu May 24, 2018 9:28 pm

like I said it is 'almost' impossible, not completely impossible and a scenario which almost most unlikely however even if some milk round candidates did scored 51 points it would be a handful not more than 2 or 3 candidates.

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