Very big mistake of my life and deception

I have reached this forum through Google and seems very helpful. I have made a big mistake in my life and trusted a friend. He asked me to pay a person some amount and he will open my account and show £50000 in that for UKBA purposes.

I applied my tier 1 ent visa and got refused on deception. I know guys, I made a mistake and never ever done it in the first place. I am in the UK for 9.3 years and all of my previous history is crystal clear i.e. a working professional with all taxes paid up to date, very good credit history, no criminal records etc.

I trusted my friend (not anymore) who put me in a position where I shouldn't be. I have my life here in UK and I do not want to go back. I have been given right of appeal.

I know some of you will blame me which is equally right but people who know me, knows that I am always a law abiding citizen. Please help me. I know there are lot of solicitors who claim that they can help me. I do not want to create any more mess than I am already in.

I really appreciate the members and other people who know about this. I am already going through my hardest time of my life. Would someone's mistake of this nature cost him his whole career? It all about trust.

khalidAhmed123 wrote:I have reached this forum through Google and seems very helpful. I have made a big mistake in my life and trusted a friend. He asked me to pay a person some amount and he will open my account and show £50000 in that for UKBA purposes.

I applied my tier 1 ent visa and got refused on deception. I know guys, I made a mistake and never ever done it in the first place. I am in the UK for 9.3 years and all of my previous history is crystal clear i.e. a working professional with all taxes paid up to date, very good credit history, no criminal records etc.

I trusted my friend (not anymore) who put me in a position where I shouldn't be. I have my life here in UK and I do not want to go back. I have been given right of appeal.

I know some of you will blame me which is equally right but people who know me, knows that I am always a law abiding citizen. Please help me. I know there are lot of solicitors who claim that they can help me. I do not want to create any more mess than I am already in.

I really appreciate the members and other people who know about this. I am already going through my hardest time of my life. Would someone's mistake of this nature cost him his whole career? It all about trust.

One thing not clear. If he opened an account in 'your name' how does it become a deception ?
When you opened account obviously you gave documents like your passport copy or address proof? Bank certainly demands for id proof.

Next you are saying that person put money in your account. So that money becomes your money, isnt it? How did UKBA find out it was not your money?

Lastly, how is your not-anymore-friend responsible for the mess ? He only gave you an idea, it was you who implemented it. So first we must learn to be responsible.

so what you saying is you paid for a statement containing 50,000 in it was found fake and Home office did you for deception.

if it was an account on your name you showed money in very less chances that decrease if it was a third party funding a relative who promised to back you up deceived you by providing a fake document could be the foundation a good lawyer could make up a story from, however you should try and arrange 50,000 back up for your next application if appeal faces decline as yo will have a chance where you could reapply where(provided applying within specified time and approval) your long residence stays unaffected.

@ khalidAhmed123, submit your appeal and start looking for good lawyers who have handled similar cases before and you could be lucky to get a good lawyer who can help to defend your case. Lawyers job is to defend their clients even when they know you are at fault, they could still win your case if you are lucky.

I agree with you both. It is my responsibility. He took money from me and never opened any account and gave me a home printed bank statement (from this his home I guess).

My father had money in his account at that time £54000 approx but a tax advisor told me that you are in UK for more than 9 out of 7 tax years and any money remitted to UK will be liable to tax (CGT). This is confirmed because I have his written tax advice.

I didnt have any bank account in my home country and the so called friend told me that he can open my account there and give me the letter and statement. I signed the opening form. It is a requirement in my home country that I must be physically present there in order to open my bank account. I avoided that and the friend told me that he knows someone who can avoid/ get round to this rule.

He didnt put any money in the account and gave me a bank letter and statement showing circa £52000. I didnt even thought to check the account myself before submitting my statement.

Is there any way I can save myself in appeal?

Its a shame that people like you have let UKBA think lot of people are abusing the system via Tier 1 Entrepreneur route. You are perfect example of why they slowed down applications and brought stringent steps in the first place as they thought there were lot of fraud cases being introduced to abuse the system. I am glad you were refused on deception atleast some justice done here.

Frauds (Trying to use alternate ways to benefit you from saving taxes CGT or whtever your reasons were) like you make it difficult for genuine application holders like me and several thousands.

I may come across harsh but the fact of the matter does not change.

Entrepreneur Visa's are for genuine entrepreneur and not for people like you who want to cover their 7 - 9 months to gain 10 yrs and think you will settle off here.

You make me SICK.

So you just accepted someone who created a bogus account statement and thought the UKVI would be too stupid to check it?

Do you have any children in the UK?

If you have appeal right, appeal, hopefully by the time it reaches the tribunal you'll have completed 10 years.

I hope you've learned a valuable lesson.

If your application is refused based on the deception, I am afraid your future applications will be rejected automatically for the 10 years. If thats the case just go for appeal and clear your name.

Khan_3_5 wrote:If your application is refused based on the deception, I am afraid your future applications will be rejected automatically for the 10 years. If that is the case just go for appeal and clear your name.

Thanks Khan and Amber for your advice.

My hearing date is in May 2013 and I am aware that I can't apply for ILR. I have to clear my name first. Can I apply for discretionary leave and am I eligible for that?

@Amber I do not have any kids but an established business and qualification which are only relevant to the UK which is not applicable to other countries. Means if I leave the UK then my qualifications will not good to me anymore.

@Tier1Entrepreneur; That was indeed a harsh comment. Every body does makes mistakes (avoiding law etc. which I have seen here). The typical example will be avoiding speed cameras i.e. slow down when they come and again speed up when they are out of sight etc. This is also law breaking/avoiding. In addition, saving CGT is neither law breaking nor it is tax evasion. It is tax planning. I only looked on one side of the picture and I should have looked the other side. Please be aware I had never broken any law in the past nor I will, it is just as I come under someone trap especially when you do not know UK immigration law and you trust them that whatever they are doing is legally fine. I didnt pay him for the false bank statement.

Anyways, i think I will lose my appeal as I do not have any defense as I do not want to act in a way as one of the solicitor told me i.e. you make a mistake and keeping repeating it, which i do not want.

Am I been eligible for discretionary leave or is there any other options available to me?

to be qualifying for discretionary leave you need to have discretionary grounds. your qualifications said to be usable only in UK and you have not done thing bad in the past have less potential to be such grounds.

something that you do not have called family, Kids normally are the excuse for such a provision as above in your case you do not have any options but try your hard to defend you case you if I am not wrong would have completed your 10 years by the time you fully off the appeal procedures still there might be compassion grounds where your ILR stood effected considering the deception.

you ought to(by hook or crook) try hard to defend at least try to create an impression that it was not all your fault or whatever happened happened in bleak for the sake of your ILR or in case if you need to reapply once you'r done with appeals,

we all make mistakes but in your case it is too late to cry over spilled milk unfortunately we can not turn back the hands of time but you still need to make a promise to whoever you believe in and yourself your wont do you did you never know if theres gona be a surprise for you.

Princess of Ammi wrote:to be qualifying for discretionary leave you need to have discretionary grounds. your qualifications said to be usable only in UK and you have not done thing bad in the past have less potential to be such grounds.

something that you do not have called family, Kids normally are the excuse for such a provision as above in your case you do not have any options but try your hard to defend you case you if I am not wrong would have completed your 10 years by the time you fully off the appeal procedures still there might be compassion grounds where your ILR stood effected considering the deception.

you ought to(by hook or crook) try hard to defend at least try to create an impression that it was not all your fault or whatever happened happened in bleak for the sake of your ILR or in case if you need to reapply once you'r done with appeals,

we all make mistakes but in your case it is too late to cry over spilled milk unfortunately we can not turn back the hands of time but you still need to make a promise to whoever you believe in and yourself your wont do you did you never know if theres gona be a surprise for you.

Many thanks Princess of Ammi for your reply.

How UKBA define family. Me and My wife live here. My wife is my dependent and we do not have any kids. I got married in April 2012. Is what they classify as family.

Surely I do my best to fight in the appeal and hopefully (InshAllah) I will win the appeal as Allah (God) Knows my intention was not bad. I really got deceived.

Is there any other option i.e. going to upper tribunal if something bad happens. I m just looking for alternatives. I have already wasted a huge some of money by going to different solicitors for the advice but none of them explained properly, though they took money from me in advance for the advice. Any recommendations for the relevant solicitors have handled these cases before?

Sorry to say but your CREDIBILITY has been damaged and under the current political climate, you will face a battle to clear your name in court..I cannot see what sort of ignorance you can claim in this situation! Presenting Officer will take you to the cleaners in front of a judge! I have been to FTT and UT and seen people who haven't even used false document torn apart..

Using a false document after spending that much time in the country, 9 years? Have you not been watching Border force on SKY for the past 4 years? Gosh..Wish you Good luck..(You'll need it in court)

Choc-Ice wrote:Sorry to say but your CREDIBILITY has been damaged and under the current political climate, you will face a battle to clear your name in court..I cannot see what sort of ignorance you can claim in this situation! Presenting Officer will take you to the cleaners in front of a judge! I have been to FTT and UT and seen people who haven't even used false document torn apart..

Using a false document after spending that much time in the country, 9 years? Have you not been watching Border force on SKY for the past 4 years? Gosh..Wish you Good luck..(You'll need it in court)

Thanks Choc-Ice for your comments. I hope this doesnt applies to me. Is there any alternatives?

@ khalidAhmed123

GO to court and put the blame on your friend and give the details of the person who printed the Home print out and tell HO you deposited the actual funds to them.

2) U said ur fahter holds £52000 open a bank account and take this original to the court and show them you not claiming for any thing wrong u hold these funds.

tell us 1 thing did they give u high street banks bank statement or some other bank

adi786 wrote:@ khalidAhmed123

GO to court and put the blame on your friend and give the details of the person who printed the Home print out and tell HO you deposited the actual funds to them.

2) U said ur fahter holds £52000 open a bank account and take this original to the court and show them you not claiming for any thing wrong u hold these funds.

tell us 1 thing did they give u high street banks bank statement or some other bank

@Khalid i feel very sorry for u.
U could use your father bank statement. At least u could prove that it's genuine.
Now your options r very limited. sorry to say. Go for appeal and complete your 10 years if u complete your 10 years before court hearing tell the judge that u completed your 10 years and as someone mentioned take your father bank statement to show that he has actually that amount in his bank account and your friend conned u. and u r a victim which is very very hard to prove.
Which bank statement u used i mean UK bank statement or Pakistani bank statement????
Keep us updating with the outcome of the appeal
Best of luck

Zee ali wrote:

adi786 wrote:@ khalidAhmed123

GO to court and put the blame on your friend and give the details of the person who printed the Home print out and tell HO you deposited the actual funds to them.

2) U said ur fahter holds £52000 open a bank account and take this original to the court and show them you not claiming for any thing wrong u hold these funds.

tell us 1 thing did they give u high street banks bank statement or some other bank[/

@Khalid i feel very sorry for u.
U could use your father bank statement. At least u could prove that it's genuine.
Now your options r very limited. sorry to say. Go for appeal and complete your 10 years if u complete your 10 years before court hearing tell the judge that u completed your 10 years and as someone mentioned take your father bank statement to show that he has actually that amount in his bank account and your friend conned u. and u r a victim which is very very hard to prove.
Which bank statement u used i mean UK bank statement or Pakistani bank statement????
Keep us updating with the outcome of the appeal
Best of luck

Many thanks for your comments.

My so called friend provided me Pakistani bank's (standard chartered) letter and bank statements. I can surely take my father's bank statement but i think this will not work as this is not what i submitted in original application. Every time i think this i say to myself oh! What i have done to myself.

i think explaining this that my friend deceive me doesn't help me in the court.

Again i know some explained above discretionary leave, can i apply for that? Me and my wife live here and i am uk corporation tax specialist. If i leave uk then my specialties will be zero.

regards

A tax specialist using bogus statements

You can't blame your 'friend', you knew the documents were forgeries. Ignorance may be an excuse but it's unlikely to work. Best thing you can hope is that 10 years completes and the court considers long residence.

The more you write about your case, the more of a cheat you sound.
Sorry to say that.

You are claiming to be a UK corporation tax specialist.. that means you thought you knew how to play around with false bank statements and fool the govt. You thought you could get away with it. Now because you are caught, you are crying a victim? But you dont appear like a victim. It was a planned move to deceive.

Again and again you are blaming your friend. Did he/she force you to do it at the point of a gun? Had your visa not been rejected, you would have hugged and thanked that friend for giving you such a brilliant idea.

So stop blaming others and take the responsibility of your own actions.

You did wrong and be ready to pay for it. Dont ask for help on this forum and give wrong ideas to other innocent people who also might get motivated to cheat reading your posts.

I think the mods should close this topic.

Stop criticising OP : He is here for advise so if you can't advise please keep quiet.

Thank You !

@khalid
Now u have only one option to defend ur case and try to prove that it's not bogus statement, otherwise u could be banned to uk for ten years for deception. So try to find a competent lawyer and defend this case.
If u will be successful to prove that it was not bogus document, and reapply tier 1 visa. So all this process might take 6 months and then ur ten years would be completed.
Don't worry everyone make a mistake it's not only u
An please don't blame ur friend coz his intention was to help u not put u in trouble. He tried to help u. He didn't get any benefits.

steve.pal wrote:@khalid
Now u have only one option to defend ur case and try to prove that it's not bogus statement, otherwise u could be banned to uk for ten years for deception. So try to find a competent lawyer and defend this case.
If u will be successful to prove that it was not bogus document, and reapply tier 1 visa. So all this process might take 6 months and then ur ten years would be completed.
Don't worry everyone make a mistake it's not only u
An please don't blame ur friend coz his intention was to help u not put u in trouble. He tried to help u. He didn't get any benefits.

Many thanks for replying.

Do you have any contact details for any good solicitors?