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Previous earnings-monthly salary in two portions

Post by googler » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:30 am

Hello everyone

I have a question regarding documents for previous earnings. I receive my monthly salary in two portions. One from company's accounting department with payslip showing gross and net salary. The second portion directly from company's general manager by his personal check (based on previous agreement). Sometimes this second portion for 2-3 months are paid together with a single check.

I intend to use a letter from company which states the amount of second portion for each month and the total amount for 12 months. Then I refer these figures to my bank statement for the same period.

Do you think these documents satisfies the officer regarding my previous earnings (specially my second portion of monthly salary)?

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Re: Previous earnings-monthly salary in two portions

Post by Sushil-ACCA » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:20 pm

googler wrote:Hello everyone

I have a question regarding documents for previous earnings. I receive my monthly salary in two portions. One from company's accounting department with payslip showing gross and net salary. The second portion directly from company's general manager by his personal check (based on previous agreement). Sometimes this second portion for 2-3 months are paid together with a single check.

I intend to use a letter from company which states the amount of second portion for each month and the total amount for 12 months. Then I refer these figures to my bank statement for the same period.

Do you think these documents satisfies the officer regarding my previous earnings (specially my second portion of monthly salary)?
in uk or out of uk case

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Post by googler » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:03 pm

I am applying from outside UK as my first application for Tier 1 (general)...

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Post by googler » Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:25 am

I hope that experienced members of this forum can provide me with comments or links to information, as I could not find any relevant article in Tier 1 (general) guidance which exactly matches my case.

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Re: Previous earnings-monthly salary in two portions

Post by guaravd » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:45 am

googler wrote:Hello everyone

I have a question regarding documents for previous earnings. I receive my monthly salary in two portions. One from company's accounting department with payslip showing gross and net salary. The second portion by his personal check (based on previous agreement). Sometimes this second portion for 2-3 months are paid together with a single check.

I intend to use a letter from company which states the amount of second portion for each month and the total amount for 12 months. Then I refer these figures to my bank statement for the same period.

Do you think these documents satisfies the officer regarding my previous earnings (specially my second portion of monthly salary)?
Why do you get the second portion directly from company's general manager. Can u explain in detail. Sice you get it through his personal check and not company's account i dont think its part of your salary. What exactly it is and for what ?

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Post by googler » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:36 pm

Since my agreed salary is well above the typical salaries paid to staffs in our company, the general manager decided to divide it into two portions: one portion through accounting department, which is in according to salaries defined for normal staffs; the second portion is my total salary minus first portion, which is paid via general manager's personal check and therefore, accounting department is unaware of. My total salary is calculated based on our mutual agreement.

however, my bank statement shows both the first portion and the second portion encashed to my account.

That's why I intend to use pay slips and bank statement as evidence for first portion and letter from company and bank statement as evidence for second portion of my salary.

Do you think it makes any problem if the company letter clearly states my total salary and second portion for each month?

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Post by guaravd » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:59 am

googler wrote:Since my agreed salary is well above the typical salaries paid to staffs in our company, the general manager decided to divide it into two portions: one portion through accounting department, which is in according to salaries defined for normal staffs; the second portion is my total salary minus first portion, which is paid via general manager's personal check and therefore, accounting department is unaware of. My total salary is calculated based on our mutual agreement.

however, my bank statement shows both the first portion and the second portion encashed to my account.

That's why I intend to use pay slips and bank statement as evidence for first portion and letter from company and bank statement as evidence for second portion of my salary.

Do you think it makes any problem if the company letter clearly states my total salary and second portion for each month?
Firstly the first portion is directly credited into your account againts which you are issued a formal salary slip. The term which appears in your bank statement is "Salary" for all such credits.
Secondly the second portion is paid to you by cheque which you are required to clear into your account. Therefore the case worker will easily identify that its not your salary as clearing is through cheque.
What you can do is take a certificate from your employer stating that your second portion is bonus or incentive which is paid to you through cheques.
Also i suggest that you take an good immigration consultant's advice on it.

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Post by googler » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:30 am

guaravd wrote:
googler wrote:Since my agreed salary is well above the typical salaries paid to staffs in our company, the general manager decided to divide it into two portions: one portion through accounting department, which is in according to salaries defined for normal staffs; the second portion is my total salary minus first portion, which is paid via general manager's personal check and therefore, accounting department is unaware of. My total salary is calculated based on our mutual agreement.

however, my bank statement shows both the first portion and the second portion encashed to my account.

That's why I intend to use pay slips and bank statement as evidence for first portion and letter from company and bank statement as evidence for second portion of my salary.

Do you think it makes any problem if the company letter clearly states my total salary and second portion for each month?
Firstly the first portion is directly credited into your account againts which you are issued a formal salary slip. The term which appears in your bank statement is "Salary" for all such credits.
Secondly the second portion is paid to you by cheque which you are required to clear into your account. Therefore the case worker will easily identify that its not your salary as clearing is through cheque.
What you can do is take a certificate from your employer stating that your second portion is bonus or incentive which is paid to you through cheques.
Also i suggest that you take an good immigration consultant's advice on it.

Thank you very much Guaravd for your answer. Hopefully, my bank statement does not clearly states the term "Salary" for the first portion of my monthly salary. Aside from that, I will speak to my manager to mention the second portion as bonus in the letter.

However, the unclear point for me is that why an official letter from my company clearly stating "the second portion is also part of my salary" is not satisfying for the Officer. Did you see anything in the guidance pointing out to this issue?

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Post by guaravd » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:28 pm

googler wrote:
guaravd wrote:
googler wrote:Since my agreed salary is well above the typical salaries paid to staffs in our company, the general manager decided to divide it into two portions: one portion through accounting department, which is in according to salaries defined for normal staffs; the second portion is my total salary minus first portion, which is paid via general manager's personal check and therefore, accounting department is unaware of. My total salary is calculated based on our mutual agreement.

however, my bank statement shows both the first portion and the second portion encashed to my account.

That's why I intend to use pay slips and bank statement as evidence for first portion and letter from company and bank statement as evidence for second portion of my salary.

Do you think it makes any problem if the company letter clearly states my total salary and second portion for each month?
Firstly the first portion is directly credited into your account againts which you are issued a formal salary slip. The term which appears in your bank statement is "Salary" for all such credits.
Secondly the second portion is paid to you by cheque which you are required to clear into your account. Therefore the case worker will easily identify that its not your salary as clearing is through cheque.
What you can do is take a certificate from your employer stating that your second portion is bonus or incentive which is paid to you through cheques.
Also i suggest that you take an good immigration consultant's advice on it.

Thank you very much Guaravd for your answer. Hopefully, my bank statement does not clearly states the term "Salary" for the first portion of my monthly salary. Aside from that, I will speak to my manager to mention the second portion as bonus in the letter.

However, the unclear point for me is that why an official letter from my company clearly stating "the second portion is also part of my salary" is not satisfying for the Officer. Did you see anything in the guidance pointing out to this issue?
The reason it will not satisfy the officer is that as per guideline You should not send payslips with a certificate from your employer, because UKBA consider both of these documents to be from the same source and you are required to claim income from 2 different sources...
Therefore you need to submit your salary slip along with bank statements as both of these documents are from 2 different source and in your case the second option is not covered in your pay slips hence you cannot claim that income.
Now If you decide to skip payslip and submit certificate from employer which will display your salary amount and income from second portion then it will not get tallied with your bank statement.

The best thing suitable for you is to claim your second portion as Dividend
Kindly find the guidelines for Claiming Income thorugh Dividend Vouchers:
dividend vouchers – if you were paid through a combination of salary and dividends and the dividend details are not included on the wage slips. These should confirm both the gross and net dividend paid. You should provide a separate dividend voucher (or payment advice slip if shown there) for each dividend payment to cover the whole period claimed.

I will again suggest your case is little complicated hence take advice of good immigration consultant.

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