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Zimbawean Asylum seeker looking to renounce zim citizenship

Post by wazab » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:49 am

What are procedures and implications for a zim asylum seeker who renounces their citizenship thus becoming stateless, what are thoe protections available in terms of renoval etc.
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Post by JamesC » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:58 am

I'm not entirely sure but I think that you can do that. If everyone did that, then claiming asylum would be easy.

Perhaps you can, but whether it means we wont return you to ZWE I don't think it will make a difference. ZWE removals are now being enforced.

If you denounce your ZWE citenzship it will make no difference i'm afraid.

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Post by Dawie » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:01 am

Most countries will not allow you to renounce your citizenship if the result of that renunciation would be to leave you stateless. You usually have to provide proof of having another citizenship. You cannot renounce your citizenship without the co-operation of the authorities of your home country.

If the intention of becoming stateless is to deter the UK authorities from deporting you, I'm afraid that is highly unlikely to work. They would probably deport you back to Zimbabwe regardless.
In a few years time we'll look back on immigration control like we look back on American prohibition in the thirties - futile and counter-productive.
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Post by Christophe » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:40 am

One of the problems that the British government (or, indeed, any government) has with deportations is that they are dependent on the 'other' government receiving the person. If a decision is taken by Country A to deport a person back to Country B, but Country B says, 'no, sorry, we don't recognise this person as one of our citizens or as having any rights to enter the country', then there is little that Country A can do about it.

Although deportations to Zimbabwe are now being enforced by the British government, it is highly unlikely that they would proceed with the attempt if the person was not going to be received at the other end. I know that there are stories of people being trapped in airports and the like because no country will take them in, but the British government is not going to proceed with a deportation that is likely to lead to that sort of outcome.

I don't know anything about Zimbabwean nationality or citizenship law, but most countries that allow their citizens to renounce the citizenship require the person either to have another citizenship or to be acquiring another citizenship. (Not all countries do, however - for example, a US citizen can renounce his or her US citizenship and become stateless.)

In almost all circumstances, though, voluntarily making oneself stateless is not something to be recommended!
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Post by Christophe » Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:15 pm

Chapter 4.01, Part IV of the Citizenship of Zimbabwe Act appears to be the part that is relevant to renunciation of citizenship, and as far as I can see there is no requirement for a person renouncing citizenship to hold another citizenship. (Most of this part of the Act is connected with the avoidance of dual citizenship, which is not relevant to the original poster.) It is on the website of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees: I presume it is the latest version.

So if that is possible, what would be the result in terms of an asylum seeker in the UK - I don't know. Someone else might have an idea.
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Post by JamesC » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:59 am

I see what you mean, it's just i think it would put the UK and other 'Safe' countries in a difficuilt position.

If you could renounce your citezenship, then it would make removal of a person extemely hard. A lot of people would be doing it.

I'm not sure, but I don't think the convention would cover people who voluntarily make themself stateless, just those who have been made so for reasons beyond their control.

Also, if you have claimed asylum the ZWE may not want to talk to you and therfore it would be very hard for a ZWE national to do so.

Also, it may have implications for your family back home. Contacting the ZWE authorities extensively may go against you in terms of your credibility.

I'd speak to an Immigration Lawyer, a list is available from the OISC website (http://www.oisc.gov.uk/).

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Post by Marco 72 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:23 am

I don't think it's a general requirement to hold another citizenship in order to resign yours, although the UK seems to require this. For example Italy doesn't care, and neither do the US.
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