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The linked document gives relevant information.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
Note that the fees is set to increase in October 2020 to 625GBP/year so if able try and apply within the remaining window to get the 400/year rate.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
I am applying for a family visa from India to come to the UK and need to pay the NHS surcharge.
I pay 400 GBP for every year in advance before coming to the UK. I will again pay towards NHS through NI tax when I work and draw a salary (as NI contributions include NHS payment for the year).
Isn't this double tax? and why is there no tax exemptions for people who already have paid their NHS contribution?
Thanks.
this link does not workvinny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:26 amThe linked document gives relevant information.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
It does. It takes you to Vinny's original post, where there is a further link to a fuller explanation of how the IHS works.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:21 amthis link does not workvinny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:26 amThe linked document gives relevant information.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
£624 NHS contribution with £470 for a child. From 31 March 2020, the NHS contribtion was made £0 for those the UK wants.AmazonianX wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:56 amNote that the fees is set to increase in October 2020 to 625GBP/year so if able try and apply within the remaining window to get the 400/year rate.
You may want to read through an existing thread about the same line of thought as yours.
Some countries charge immigrants higher taxes than a citizen and won't give full access to their healthcare system.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
I am applying for a family visa from India to come to the UK and need to pay the NHS surcharge.
I pay 400 GBP for every year in advance before coming to the UK. I will again pay towards NHS through NI tax when I work and draw a salary (as NI contributions include NHS payment for the year).
Isn't this double tax? and why is there no tax exemptions for people who already have paid their NHS contribution?
Thanks.
I never realised the money raised from this health charge was being used to fund Scotland via the Bartnett formula, even though the majority of immigrants want to live in England.
These are relative comparisions they dont work directly. its not i have the choice to go anywhere i want.JB007 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:01 amSome countries charge immigrants higher taxes than a citizen and won't give full access to their healthcare system.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
I am applying for a family visa from India to come to the UK and need to pay the NHS surcharge.
I pay 400 GBP for every year in advance before coming to the UK. I will again pay towards NHS through NI tax when I work and draw a salary (as NI contributions include NHS payment for the year).
Isn't this double tax? and why is there no tax exemptions for people who already have paid their NHS contribution?
Thanks.
Sorry but the link does not work, it brings me back to my own post. if the link talk avout what IHS and why it is, i do know that. Its a double tax on immigrants that i want to ask about.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:27 amIt does. It takes you to Vinny's original post, where there is a further link to a fuller explanation of how the IHS works.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:21 amthis link does not workvinny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:26 amThe linked document gives relevant information.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 amHi, I have a query regarding and NHS surcharge. And would really appreciate relevant information.
There is no rebate or loophole.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:30 amI am just wondering if there is a rebate or a loop hole. there has to be a way this double tax is addressed in the rules. I am just wondering if anyone has any info along these lines.
Really! how did they get away with such extortion?CR001 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:32 amThere is no rebate or loophole.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:30 amI am just wondering if there is a rebate or a loop hole. there has to be a way this double tax is addressed in the rules. I am just wondering if anyone has any info along these lines.
Yes there is, which unfortunately is only limited to theory only for NHS workers. However, given the present resurrection of virus it might soon be practically implemented.
A case of demand and supply. If there are people who are willing to move to the UK irrespective of the cost of the visa, they can keep increasing the price.
It is not the flaw of an old system. It was specifically introduced very recently (since 2014) to deter immigration.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:18 amSo far sorry to say the only argumetns i get are about the flaws of an system that were not fixed for years but the compensation for not fixing them is falling on future immigrnats among other people some of which are coming to the Uk or retuning to UK after a long time.
You may also not have realised that if you pay IHS for a first visa and then change your visa type partway through the first visa (such as by switching from a PBS visa to a family dependent visa), the IHS that you have already paid for the first visa is not credited across to your new application. You have to pay the full IHS all over again for the new application.Although not part of the “hostile environment” as such, the IHS was among a wider package of changes brought in by the Immigration Act 2014 to reduce “pull factors” attracting migrants to the UK. It was very much part of the government’s aggressive obsession with reducing net migration; a quest since revealed to be based on dodgy numbers.
While this is almost certainly not what you want to hear, the advice is correct. Like it or lump it. This is what is. It is the reality on the ground that you would have to deal with if you plan to move to the UK.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:20 amSo far in all my inquiry i only get right winged sentiments things like pay it or dont come.
The UK, unlike other countries (like India for instance), does not allow displacement of taxes by other payments to the government (such as by investing in government bonds).nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:30 amI am just wondering if there is a rebate or a loop hole. there has to be a way this double tax is addressed in the rules. I am just wondering if anyone has any info along these lines.
To the best of my knowledge, even that is being worked on and and not implemented yet. Keep in mind that as this policy was forced onto the government by opposition pressure in the Commons, it is likely to take the narrowest possible interpretation of the policy during implementation.seagul wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:54 amYes there is, which unfortunately is only limited to theory only for NHS workers. However, given the present resurrection of virus it might soon be practically implemented.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... /cbp-7274/
It has been implemented. The links are in this thread on the Tier 2 board.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:05 pmTo the best of my knowledge, even that is being worked on and and not implemented yet.
Thank you for the links. I was not aware of that Draft Statutory Instrument.JB007 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:05 pmIt has been implemented. The links are in this thread on the Tier 2 board.
https://www.immigrationboards.com/uk-ti ... 03839.html
Thanks for the info and the links. To be honest I am quite shocked. 10/12 years ago when i was living in the UK it was not like this. There were some values and fare policy that the UK stood for.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:05 pmA case of demand and supply. If there are people who are willing to move to the UK irrespective of the cost of the visa, they can keep increasing the price.
It is not the flaw of an old system. It was specifically introduced very recently (since 2014) to deter immigration.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:18 amSo far sorry to say the only argumetns i get are about the flaws of an system that were not fixed for years but the compensation for not fixing them is falling on future immigrnats among other people some of which are coming to the Uk or retuning to UK after a long time.
As the Freemovement article (linked to by Vinny below) states;You may also not have realised that if you pay IHS for a first visa and then change your visa type partway through the first visa (such as by switching from a PBS visa to a family dependent visa), the IHS that you have already paid for the first visa is not credited across to your new application. You have to pay the full IHS all over again for the new application.Although not part of the “hostile environment” as such, the IHS was among a wider package of changes brought in by the Immigration Act 2014 to reduce “pull factors” attracting migrants to the UK. It was very much part of the government’s aggressive obsession with reducing net migration; a quest since revealed to be based on dodgy numbers.
It is worth noting that in some recent years (between, I think, 2015-18), the immigration fees have increased 25% year-on-year as well.
A family of four (two parents and two children) would easily be set by by about £40,000 over their entire immigration journey, keeping today's immigration fees in mind. And that is not factoring in any immigration fee increase.
You have mentioned that you are applying for a family visa. If your partner/sponsor is a British citizen, perhaps you can ask them to raise these questions (about double taxation) with their MP (probably in September or later, as the Commons is on its summer recess).
I have reposted Vinny's links below for you to click through and read.While this is almost certainly not what you want to hear, the advice is correct. Like it or lump it. This is what is. It is the reality on the ground that you would have to deal with if you plan to move to the UK.nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:20 amSo far in all my inquiry i only get right winged sentiments things like pay it or dont come.
If you feel so passionately about it, you may want to look at alternatives like Canada or Australia or even continental Europe, which are far more inviting towards immigrants at the moment.
The UK, unlike other countries (like India for instance), does not allow displacement of taxes by other payments to the government (such as by investing in government bonds).nevilleturel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:30 amI am just wondering if there is a rebate or a loop hole. there has to be a way this double tax is addressed in the rules. I am just wondering if anyone has any info along these lines.
As CR001 has said above, there is no rebate or displacement of tax liabilities as regards IHS.
To the best of my knowledge, even that is being worked on and and not implemented yet. Keep in mind that as this policy was forced onto the government by opposition pressure in the Commons, it is likely to take the narrowest possible interpretation of the policy during implementation.seagul wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:54 amYes there is, which unfortunately is only limited to theory only for NHS workers. However, given the present resurrection of virus it might soon be practically implemented.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... /cbp-7274/
Keep in mind that a Prime Ministerial announcement does not create law. Only a Statutory Instrument signed by a Minister would (in this case of immigration policy). And there is oft many a slip betwixt cup and lip. Or in more regular parlance, Mind The Gap between the ministerial announcement and the law.