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Family planning

Post by Botman » Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:43 pm

Hi. Is it allowed legally to have multiple wives in uk? I heard Muslims are allowed this but not locals, is that true?

Can you have second marriage in UK if already married in home country?

In case of divorce or for children without marriage , are people legally obligated to pay child alimony to spouse? How much is this? How is it affected in relation to your pay and your spouse’s pay? I read on google and what I understand is if there is not much difference between both pays (both partners earning same) then child alimony will be less. Is that correct?

Are there any links to official guidelines where i can read this?

TIA

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Re: Family planning

Post by alterhase58 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:01 pm

It's probably best you consult a lawyer specialising in UK family law.
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Re: Family planning

Post by secret.simon » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:04 am

Botman wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:43 pm
Is it allowed legally to have multiple wives in uk? I heard Muslims are allowed this but not locals, is that true?
The answer to the question is quite nuanced and not straightforward.
Botman wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:43 pm
Can you have second marriage in UK if already married in home country?
A person already in a subsisting marriage contracted anywhere in the world that is recognised in the UK can't marry another person in the UK itself. Bigamy (marrying a person while being legally married to another person) is still a crime in the UK, regardless of the religion of either party, if the second marriage is conducted in the UK.

Also keep in mind that a nikkah ceremony conducted in the UK may have no legal force (i.e. is not a marriage for the purpose of the law) unless followed up with a registry/civil marriage. Some imams in Scotland have the power and authority of marriage registrars and can issue a full marriage certificate after a nikkah ceremony, but without that marriage certificate, a marriage, from the viewpoint of the law, does not exist.

What is certain, and because this is an immigration forum, we can comment on immigration matters with more confidence, is that a person who has a spouse already living in the UK cannot sponsor another spouse from outside the UK, even if they married in another country where polygamy is legal.

Thus you may have legally married multiple spouses abroad, but you can sponsor only one spouse to the UK on a spousal visa.

And because the immigration status of children born abroad follows the less-privileged parent, you also can't sponsor any non-British children born to you with any spouse other than the one that you are sponsoring to the UK.
Botman wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:43 pm
In case of divorce or for children without marriage , are people legally obligated to pay child alimony to spouse? How much is this? How is it affected in relation to your pay and your spouse’s pay? I read on google and what I understand is if there is not much difference between both pays (both partners earning same) then child alimony will be less. Is that correct?
None of these are matters for an immigration forum and you may want to find a family law forum to ask these questions.

Broadly speaking, keep in mind that a father would be responsible for providing for their children regardless of whether the children were born in a legally recognised marriage, in a religious only marriage that is not legally recognised or in a relationship that has nothing to do with marriage. That responsibility stems from their paternity itself and their relationship with the mother is normally irrelevant to the question of supporting the child.
I am not a lawyer or immigration advisor. My statements/comments do not constitute legal advice. E&OE. Please do not PM me for advice.

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Re: Family planning

Post by vinny » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:05 am

This is not intended to be legal or professional advice in any jurisdiction. Please click on any given links for further information. Refer to the source of any quotes.
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Re: Family planning

Post by Botman » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:25 am

Thanks all. That’s very useful information. I will read up the links provided and contact relevant lawyers if needed.

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Re: Family planning

Post by JB007 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:53 am

Botman wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:43 pm
In case of divorce or for children without marriage , are people legally obligated to pay child alimony to spouse?
How do you expect your children to be housed and fed if you don't contribute towards this cost?

The calculator:

gives you an amount to discuss with the other parent if you’re arranging child maintenance yourselves - you do not have to use it
shows you what the government is likely to work out for you

https://www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance

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Re: Family planning

Post by Botman » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:21 pm

I do not have any issue with paying for my own children. Just want more information what happens in these cases.

By the way plenty of people mooching off of state and relying on benefits and taxes paid off by hard working people. So even if no one pays state will take care of it i am sure. :)

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Re: Family planning

Post by JB007 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:18 pm

Botman wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:21 pm
By the way plenty of people mooching off of state and relying on benefits and taxes paid off by hard working people. So even if no one pays state will take care of it i am sure. :)
Both parents are required to pay for their children.

- There are always fathers/second wifes, complaining how hard their lives are because of the money they have to pay towards children from the male's previous relationships. This money does not affect the benefit money the parent with care is claiming and is an extra, so well worth the parent with care going for this money from the child/childrens absent parent

-Under the Welfare Reform Acts, both parents are required to work when claiming Universal Credit. Claimants of the six benefits Universal Credit replaces will be moved to Universal Credit in due course, unless they do something that triggers their move to Universal Credit (if they can claim Universal Credit).

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Re: Family planning

Post by Botman » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:02 pm

Long debate but i believe people should not have to pay if not with the partner anymore and not allowed to take part in upbringing of their children anymore. Some horrible stories out there especially from USA.

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Re: Family planning

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:01 am

We are not here to discuss what the law should be, but what the law is, whether we like it or not. In any case, we are not a family law forum.

As this thread has gone off tangent and is not related in any way to any immigration law, I will lock this thread.
I am not a lawyer or immigration advisor. My statements/comments do not constitute legal advice. E&OE. Please do not PM me for advice.

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