nationality, citizenship and stateless

[helloForum]

Hi Everyone
From Irish Law how would you define this questions

1. Would nationality be = to place of birth?
2. Would nationality be = to citizenship?
3. Would stateless people have nationality based on place of birth or remain stateless under nationality?

Thank you so much

[littlerr]

Nationality and citizenship are essentially the same thing, bar some political differences in naturalisation and subsequent renouncing of previous citizenship. Being stateless in Ireland does not necessarily mean you can automatically get Irish citizenship.

This is not the correct forum for such questions. This forum is intended for immigration-related questions only.

[helloForum]

Nationality and citizenship are essentially the same thing, bar some political differences in naturalisation and subsequent renouncing of previous citizenship. Being stateless in Ireland does not necessarily mean you can automatically get Irish citizenship.

This is not the correct forum for such questions. This forum is intended for immigration-related questions only.

Sorry. No one asked about citizenship for stateless people. And nationality could be very much different from citizenship. This is immigration forum and nationality is immigration matter.

What I am looking is how Irish Law or Immigration at Burg Quay define nationality.

By place of birth or by citizenship?
And if person stateless how the nationality would be defined?
Thank you so much

[CR001]

If a person is stateless, they have no citizenship/nationality of any country, that is the whole meaning of the word Stateless. However, this does not ever change their place of birth.

A place/country of birth does not always confer citizenship/nationality automatically.

[helloForum]

If a person is stateless, they have no citizenship/nationality of any country, that is the whole meaning of the word Stateless. However, this does not ever change their place of birth.

A place/country of birth does not always confer citizenship/nationality automatically.

Thank you that's what I thought.
However Immigration said nationality is place of birth regardless of being stateless or not.

[littlerr]

What I am looking is how Irish Law or Immigration at Burg Quay define nationality.

By place of birth or by citizenship?
And if person stateless how the nationality would be defined?

If your nationality is Irish, you are an Irish citizen.
If you are an Irish citizen, your nationality is Irish.
If you are stateless, you don't have a nationality or citizenship.
If you don't have a nationality or citizenship, you are stateless.

Nationality is citizenship. There is no such expression of 'define nationality by citizenship'. There is no difference whatsoever in these two terms in the legal sphere.

Place of birth, on the other hand, is a completely different topic. It is simply where a person was born.

However Immigration said nationality is place of birth regardless of being stateless or not.

Unless there's any language barrier or misunderstanding, I cannot think of any normal person that would give you this information, leaving alone an immigration officer. Do you have any email or letter that proves what you said?

I'm guessing what the officer actually said was that the automatically acquired citizenship at birth of the person prior to being stateless, which is usually but not always tied to the place of birth.

[helloForum]

What I am looking is how Irish Law or Immigration at Burg Quay define nationality.

By place of birth or by citizenship?
And if person stateless how the nationality would be defined?

If your nationality is Irish, you are an Irish citizen.
If you are an Irish citizen, your nationality is Irish.
If you are stateless, you don't have a nationality or citizenship.
If you don't have a nationality or citizenship, you are stateless.

Nationality is citizenship. There is no such expression of 'define nationality by citizenship'. There is no difference whatsoever in these two terms in the legal sphere.

Place of birth, on the other hand, is a completely different topic. It is simply where a person was born.

However Immigration said nationality is place of birth regardless of being stateless or not.

Unless there's any language barrier or misunderstanding, I cannot think of any normal person that would give you this information, leaving alone an immigration officer. Do you have any email or letter that proves what you said?

I'm guessing what the officer actually said was that the automatically acquired citizenship at birth of the person prior to being stateless, which is usually but not always tied to the place of birth.

Yes I got few emails from immigration.
In order to print new IRP card she has to enter nationality into the system as my place of birth. And now I got new card with nationality of country language I don't even speak.

[littlerr]

That makes a bit of sense then. The IRP card requires your nationality. Even if you are stateless, the IRP card does not allow that to be printed on the card. So it needs something to be printed on the country field.

In most countries around the world, if a person cannot inherit either of the parent's citizenship at birth, that person will get the citizenship of the birth country. Furthermore, if a person was striped off their original citizenship while abroad, that person will also be eligible to become a citizen of the current host country. One exception is that if you voluntarily renounce your citizenship, you cannot obtain the current host country's citizenship.

How did you lose your citizenship? Or were you born stateless?

[helloForum]

20 Years back they have changed my country of birth due to formation of new country I got new country name as place of birth on my documents. And for 20 years my gnib cards nationality listed as stateless. But from this year somehow I got nationality that I never had. Wondering what is legal aspect of all that?