New scheme for undocumented immigrants

[littlerr]

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/12 ... cy-status/

Immigrants who have spent 4 years (or 3 years with children) without permission will be able to regularise their status.

[Emr]

If someone in state for more then 12 years EU treaty revoked 2 year ago and since then on temporary stamp will be eligible?

[BaboiDamo]

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/12 ... cy-status/

Immigrants who have spent 4 years (or 3 years with children) without permission will be able to regularise their status.

This is very positive for so many people...

[finalversion_2k]

I don't think revocation cases will be included or consider in this.. On justice.ie they wrote test cases.

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR21000292

[Obie]

Also, only those who have notheard residence permission in the last 4 or 3 years, as the case may be, will benefit from the scheme.

At least one country in the British isles is showing compassion and basic decency.

[Alixlboy]

If people with deportation orders can apply under this scheme then why not people whose permissions were unfairly revoked?
Let’s stay positive and everything will be clear until the scheme opens next month hopefully.

[kupuser]

I don't think revocation cases will be included or consider in this.. On justice.ie they wrote test cases.

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR21000292

If 4 year criteria is fulfilled then even people with revoked visas can apply.
This question was asked at a press released and was answered as such.

[Emr]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

[dubnew]

If people with deportation orders can apply under this scheme then why not people whose permissions were unfairly revoked?
Let’s stay positive and everything will be clear until the scheme opens next month hopefully.

If you have no permission from the last four years.

You can apply for this scheme if you are undocumented (and meet the other criteria) regardless of the reason why or how you became undocumented.

[dubnew]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

[dubnew]

I don't think revocation cases will be included or consider in this.. On justice.ie they wrote test cases.

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR21000292

Revocation cases included in this scheme, it stated clearly on justice.ie website.

[Alixlboy]

If people with deportation orders can apply under this scheme then why not people whose permissions were unfairly revoked?
Let’s stay positive and everything will be clear until the scheme opens next month hopefully.

If you have no permission from the last four years.

You can apply for this scheme if you are undocumented (and meet the other criteria) regardless of the reason why or how you became undocumented.

What’s the source of this information?

[Alixlboy]

I don't think revocation cases will be included or consider in this.. On justice.ie they wrote test cases.

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR21000292

Revocation cases included in this scheme, it stated clearly on justice.ie website.

Please share the link or screenshot.

[Alixlboy]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

Revocation of a stamp means that the time you have spent on that particular stamp that is 5 or whatever number of years cannot be considered as having been spent as a legal resident in the State meaning you were staying as an undocumented person during this time.
Even the solicitors are not sure about the question posted by OP. One solicitor has said that most probably such people will all be included.
I think we must not reply any such questions based on our personal opinion or without an official source of information as this might cause stress and anxiety for people like OP.
If in doubt, say nothing and time will tell. Everyone must stay positive for the meanwhile though as DOJ claims to have worked on making this scheme as inclusive and broader as possible. So let’s see if their claim is right or not.

[dubnew]

If people with deportation orders can apply under this scheme then why not people whose permissions were unfairly revoked?
Let’s stay positive and everything will be clear until the scheme opens next month hopefully.

If you have no permission from the last four years.

You can apply for this scheme if you are undocumented (and meet the other criteria) regardless of the reason why or how you became undocumented.

What’s the source of this information?

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/m ... eland.html

"Undocumented
You are undocumented if you are from outside the EU or EEA and you do not have permission to be in Ireland. You may have had permission previously and it expired, or you may never have had legal residence in Ireland.

You can apply for this scheme if you are undocumented (and meet the other criteria) regardless of the reason why or how you became undocumented."

[dubnew]

I don't think revocation cases will be included or consider in this.. On justice.ie they wrote test cases.

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR21000292

Revocation cases included in this scheme, it stated clearly on justice.ie website.

Please share the link or screenshot.

Under the Notes for Editors

"The scheme will be open to those who do not have a current permission to reside in Ireland e.g. they arrived illegally or their permission expired/was withdrawn years ago."

[dubnew]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

Revocation of a stamp means that the time you have spent on that particular stamp that is 5 or whatever number of years cannot be considered as having been spent as a legal resident in the State meaning you were staying as an undocumented person during this time.
Even the solicitors are not sure about the question posted by OP. One solicitor has said that most probably such people will all be included.
I think we must not reply any such questions based on our personal opinion or without an official source of information as this might cause stress and anxiety for people like OP.
If in doubt, say nothing and time will tell. Everyone must stay positive for the meanwhile though as DOJ claims to have worked on making this scheme as inclusive and broader as possible. So let’s see if their claim is right or not.

I wish they should accommodate everyone if someone do not have permission in this country and the rest time will prove.

Best of Luck!

[Emr]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

Hi dubnew: when the department revoke the EU stamp they revoke from the inception i.e the very 1st date it was granted and not at the date of revokation letter, they mentioned in the letter that permission was never valid at all.

And about temporary stamp: at you know temporary stamp doest give any right . Temporary stamp is temporary as the name suggest and can be cancelled at anytime or may not be renewed further.

[dubnew]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

Hi dubnew: when the department revoke the EU stamp they revoke from the inception i.e the very 1st date it was granted and not at the date of revokation letter, they mentioned in the letter that permission was never valid at all.

And about temporary stamp: at you know temporary stamp doest give any right . Temporary stamp is temporary as the name suggest and can be cancelled at anytime or may not be renewed further.

Hi Emr,

Technically you are right that DOJ made you undocumented but they could say that you enjoyed your EUTR status till 2020.

No one will stop you to apply and put your argument on their table if no solicitor take your case.

Best of Luck my friend!!!

[littlerr]

The way I read it based on the press release is that the target beneficiary is those who have have been hiding in the dark and have been unable or afraid to access basic social services due to the lack of permission.

If your permission is revoked today and it said it was backtracked to 4 years ago, or for whatever reason you have obtained a temporary permission (which means you have a separate application in progress), my understanding is that you do not belong to the group above.

Anyway, we will have to wait till the DoJ release more information on this.

[Dorsey]

If Ireland loves illegals so much the UK should send our millions.

[Alixlboy]

Let’s not assume things before DOJ clarifies further.

[finalversion_2k]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

Hi dubnew: when the department revoke the EU stamp they revoke from the inception i.e the very 1st date it was granted and not at the date of revokation letter, they mentioned in the letter that permission was never valid at all.

And about temporary stamp: at you know temporary stamp doest give any right . Temporary stamp is temporary as the name suggest and can be cancelled at anytime or may not be renewed further.

Here you go wait is over.. I think I was right, but still now some solicitors will say No we still have chance, bla bla bla..

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-09-12-2021-288

[azee81]

and what about temporary stamp 1 holder in chenchooliah judgement their is no clarification for them as well whether they can qualify for this scheme or not.

[dubnew]

Hi all,
Can you please advise on below :

1: EU treaty right visa of 5 year revoked in 2020 . Does these 5 years will be counted as undocumented as the visa was revoked by EU treaty?

2: since EU treaty visa revoked I made an appeal in 2020 and since then have temperary stamp 4 three time and temporary stamp 4 is still valid. Does temporary stamp 4 counted as documented or undocumented from this scheme view point ?

Unfortunately no.

You had valid permission till 2020 and your permission revoked in 2020 and u still have temporary permission in the state.

You are eligible if ur permission had been revoked in 2017 or before and do not have even temporary permission and still in state on pending section 3 application.

Hi dubnew: when the department revoke the EU stamp they revoke from the inception i.e the very 1st date it was granted and not at the date of revokation letter, they mentioned in the letter that permission was never valid at all.

And about temporary stamp: at you know temporary stamp doest give any right . Temporary stamp is temporary as the name suggest and can be cancelled at anytime or may not be renewed further.

Here you go wait is over.. I think I was right, but still now some solicitors will say No we still have chance, bla bla bla..

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-09-12-2021-288

The minister statement doesn't exclude EU Treaty Rights cases at all.

If EU treaty permission had been revoked before Jan 2017 and he/she is on section 3 process and no permission since Jan 2017 (Not even temporary) then they are eligible regardless the reason how their EU treaty permission revoked.

Their applications will be more strong if they have children born and raised in the state.