Minister Shatter introduces major changes to citizenship app

[daddy]

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Information On Naturalisation application processing times
The average time from application to decision is currently 23 months.A significant number of applications are initially found to be invalid for a variety of reasons and these are now being dealt with and returned to the applicant within a week.

Poor application quality is a factor that affects processing times. Almost 10% of total resources available to the Citizenship Division are wasted on assessing poor quality applications, which have to be returned for further attention.

There is a limit to the reduction in the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure that it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.

Decisions on naturalisation are made by the Minister for Justice and Equality at his absolute discretion. Applicants who do not commit to living in Ireland, applicants who have come to the adverse attention of An Garda Síochána or applicants who are a financial burden on the State are unlikely to be granted naturalisation.

The section is currently commencing further processing of applications received in late 2009.



The above is still on Inis website, they have not yet written about the 6 months processing time for naturalisation on their website, has anybody yet found where it is written.
Daddy

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VisasImmigrationCitizenshipCitizenship Legislation Application Forms Irish Citizenship through birth, descent and by Naturalisation Frequently asked Questions about Irish Citizenship and Naturalisation Naturalisation Residency CalculatorAsylumRepatriationPolicyStatisticsLegislation
Quick Search:
Information On Naturalisation application processing times
The average time from application to decision is currently 23 months.A significant number of applications are initially found to be invalid for a variety of reasons and these are now being dealt with and returned to the applicant within a week.

Poor application quality is a factor that affects processing times. Almost 10% of total resources available to the Citizenship Division are wasted on assessing poor quality applications, which have to be returned for further attention.

There is a limit to the reduction in the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure that it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.

Decisions on naturalisation are made by the Minister for Justice and Equality at his absolute discretion. Applicants who do not commit to living in Ireland, applicants who have come to the adverse attention of An Garda Síochána or applicants who are a financial burden on the State are unlikely to be granted naturalisation.

The section is currently commencing further processing of applications received in late 2009.



The above is still on Inis website, they have not yet written about the 6 months processing time for naturalisation on their website, has anybody yet found where it is written.
Daddy

Right smack, bang at the bottom of the page of Justice.ie, there's a link to ..... this

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[daddy]

VisasImmigrationCitizenshipCitizenship Legislation Application Forms Irish Citizenship through birth, descent and by Naturalisation Frequently asked Questions about Irish Citizenship and Naturalisation Naturalisation Residency CalculatorAsylumRepatriationPolicyStatisticsLegislation
Quick Search:
Information On Naturalisation application processing times
The average time from application to decision is currently 23 months.A significant number of applications are initially found to be invalid for a variety of reasons and these are now being dealt with and returned to the applicant within a week.

Poor application quality is a factor that affects processing times. Almost 10% of total resources available to the Citizenship Division are wasted on assessing poor quality applications, which have to be returned for further attention.

There is a limit to the reduction in the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure that it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.

Decisions on naturalisation are made by the Minister for Justice and Equality at his absolute discretion. Applicants who do not commit to living in Ireland, applicants who have come to the adverse attention of An Garda Síochána or applicants who are a financial burden on the State are unlikely to be granted naturalisation.

The section is currently commencing further processing of applications received in late 2009.



The above is still on Inis website, they have not yet written about the 6 months processing time for naturalisation on their website, has anybody yet found where it is written.
Daddy

Right smack, bang at the bottom of the page of Justice.ie, there's a link to ..... this

Thanks for the reply and link, I have seen it on justice website, but my question is that INIS have not written anything about it, they only spoke about the form etc.

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VisasImmigrationCitizenshipCitizenship Legislation Application Forms Irish Citizenship through birth, descent and by Naturalisation Frequently asked Questions about Irish Citizenship and Naturalisation Naturalisation Residency CalculatorAsylumRepatriationPolicyStatisticsLegislation
Quick Search:
Information On Naturalisation application processing times
The average time from application to decision is currently 23 months.A significant number of applications are initially found to be invalid for a variety of reasons and these are now being dealt with and returned to the applicant within a week.

Poor application quality is a factor that affects processing times. Almost 10% of total resources available to the Citizenship Division are wasted on assessing poor quality applications, which have to be returned for further attention.

There is a limit to the reduction in the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure that it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.

Decisions on naturalisation are made by the Minister for Justice and Equality at his absolute discretion. Applicants who do not commit to living in Ireland, applicants who have come to the adverse attention of An Garda Síochána or applicants who are a financial burden on the State are unlikely to be granted naturalisation.

The section is currently commencing further processing of applications received in late 2009.



The above is still on Inis website, they have not yet written about the 6 months processing time for naturalisation on their website, has anybody yet found where it is written.
Daddy

Right smack, bang at the bottom of the page of Justice.ie, there's a link to ..... this

Thanks for the reply and link, I have seen it on justice website, but my question is that INIS have not written anything about it, they only spoke about the form etc.

INIS are an office of the Dept of Justice, and are directly answerable to the Minister.

We even have evidence of a recent approval of naturalisation within 6 months here: http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 511#505511

[ImmigrationLawyer]

I noticed that refugees from Sudan and (I think) Chechnya (and maybe another country) have seemed to get their naturalisation applications dealt with very quickly (under a year, sometimes even 6 months). god knows why this is - refugees from other countries can be just as in need of assimilation. Bizarre policy.

[walrusgumble]

I noticed that refugees from Sudan and (I think) Chechnya (and maybe another country) have seemed to get their naturalisation applications dealt with very quickly (under a year, sometimes even 6 months). god knows why this is - refugees from other countries can be just as in need of assimilation. Bizarre policy.

refugees are basically in reality stateless as you know.why just them?i suppose and i am speculating that countries like ireland believe that iraqis and afghans might head home if things improve in say 2 years.but what about somalis?that place is still no better.where the sudan people programme refuges?didn't we have un lads in chad & sudan?

[walrusgumble]

PIKKA:the decisions lay with the minister & government.it was not incompetence but clearly intentional-with the economy and so many irish leaving,they didn't want an additional 22k (regardless of background) to look after ie constitutional fundamental rights & 100%prevention of ever removing them or encouraging them to leave when economy is bust (in 1940's it was known as releasing the valve.both cosgrave & dev were relieved people were leaving)but thats what ltr was suppose to achieve ie security without citizenship.the choccie bikki n tea brigade in inis messed that up too.revenue sees returns of incomplete forms yet get decisions on time.no it can't be reason.i believe previous ministers issue decisions in batches every few terms,even if individual case was decided in 2 weeks.i have no authority on the last bit,maybe like builders staff in inis were milking it too keep work last?were most applications in last 10 years made in 2008?,and have now come to the natural 23ish month limit,even without shatter?

[walrusgumble]

anyone notice the additional provisons on the form regard past acceptance of terrorist groups or membership?good auld law n order fine gael reminds me of 1990's and anti ira statements one had to sign.ff really did seem to let applicants off by simply stating adverse attention abroad...(ff get blamed for creation of the pira by fg) wonder is shatter concerned about certain "enemies" of his friends abroad & the sensational nonesense in the rags years ago about cells in ireland?(read dail & committee reports before running off on one & lack of comment over irish passport fiasco).it aint an attack either)to be fair many countries specify it in their forms.seems odd that ff overlooked it

[walrusgumble]

yes it is very user friendly...now one can find out whether they have 5 years of reckon able residence or not.

My vote will go to Final Gael next time:-)

they will need all the help,as the shit will hit the fan, through no fault of their own,the gloss has gone off richard bruton already.shatter has an extremely tough n unforgiving constitency where all tds,including himself are prone too loosing n retaining their seats,like shatter.everyone knows he is talented but he polls badly,always.parish pump politics?thats assuming he decides to run again in 5 years ,he aint young

[fatty patty]

Even though there are AU/UN peace keepers in Sudan it is a flashpoint as fighting going on every now and again. The more it is in the papers the more chance refugee has to get asylum (unfortunate reality), middle east libya, syria is an example. But their are certain ones which are long term for e.g. chechnya/somalia/afghanistan.

It was surprising that the old citizenship form did not contain that check list regarding affiliation to terror groups (although what purpose it achieves remains to be seen) but according to best practices it is in pretty much every form, even certain public service jobs contains this checklist i dont think it has to do with certain "enemies".

I think you are bit unfair on Bruton though, if he is going to tackle JLC how is the gloss gone off (i am assuming you are refering to this issue) as far as Shatter i agree but bear in mind his constituency has 3 FG TDs including him, all depends how well FG tackles economy. Atleast 1 will go, but then again all these new irish here will try and get him over the line so he probably is safe.

[walrusgumble]

Even though there are AU/UN peace keepers in Sudan it is a flashpoint as fighting going on every now and again. The more it is in the papers the more chance refugee has to get asylum (unfortunate reality), middle east libya, syria is an example. But their are certain ones which are long term for e.g. chechnya/somalia/afghanistan.

It was surprising that the old citizenship form did not contain that check list regarding affiliation to terror groups (although what purpose it achieves remains to be seen) but according to best practices it is in pretty much every form, even certain public service jobs contains this checklist i dont think it has to do with certain "enemies".

I think you are bit unfair on Bruton though, if he is going to tackle JLC how is the gloss gone off (i am assuming you are refering to this issue) as far as Shatter i agree but bear in mind his constituency has 3 FG TDs including him, all depends how well FG tackles economy. Atleast 1 will go, but then again all these new irish here will try and get him over the line so he probably is safe.

It is not a criticism of Richard Bruton. Its an observation of the change of tone from some in the media and the general sheep, sorry public , as to the type of man he is.

They (the less inclinced right wingers - low earners) lionised him, without taking in account the type of economics he stands for (which, i hate saying, is whats needed). Even working class people, you clearly knew nothing about him championed him. Now when his true colours have shone, they hate him. Rather unfairly mind.

His pathetic attempt to dislodge Kenny last summer has hurt him too.

That is all that is being said. Roll back 1 1/2 years ago, he was bullet proof, the main man. Now, good auld baldy noonan, someone who should have been consigned to history (well , a less promient ministerial) has out shone him

It is far too early to criticise or applaud any minister at this time. I don't envy his position. But as Fintan O'Toole, clearly pointed out (if he was no consistent with his politics over all these years, he would be considered champagne socialist) Bruton has clearly never known anyone in the service industry or someone who was on the other side of the table on a sunday for lunch.

As for the passport application form, that was tongue in check to FIne Gael as oppose to Shatter personally. But I am not one ioata surprised. One those hope, where it merits, SHatter does not use his prejudices to certain groups (different if there is CREDIBLE facts to show for it)

[churada]

Some very exciting news today on this topic - http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news ... 05579.html

The justice minister said he had slashed the huge backlog of citizenship applications since coming to office and expected to have it completely cleared by spring next year. There are still 13,500 applications awaiting decisions for more than six months.

There are also plans to recruit more people under the new government internship programme to help speed up the naturalisation process, he revealed.

[archigabe]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... 86908.html