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None of this is relevant.mittalkavita wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 amMy reasons are that my husband is a doctor and his duty hours are not fixed, it is a rolling shift - morning/evening/night. With his given work responsibilities, he spends additional extended hours on critical cases and sometimes his schedules are very unpredictable. The possibility of leaving the child in the home country leads to the scenario where she is not under proper care and there is a risk that there could be emergency work hours for the father, and he is not able to make necessary childcare arrangements or being physically around, for child's safety and well-being. We are a nuclear family here and there are no other care arrangements possible in my absence. Child is emotionally attached more to me and my husband is also keen to prepare and try for a healthcare visa once he clears exams for International Medical Graduates.
I would be grateful for an advise on the supporting documents/evidence that needs to be submitted. I am thinking of HR letter from my husband's hospital, do we need any lawyer's document, or affidavit?? Any points that could help build a strong case for her entry permission. Grateful for any support or guidance that could be available to deal with their query.
Have to disagree with this advicesecret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:01 amNone of this is relevant.mittalkavita wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 amMy reasons are that my husband is a doctor and his duty hours are not fixed, it is a rolling shift - morning/evening/night. With his given work responsibilities, he spends additional extended hours on critical cases and sometimes his schedules are very unpredictable. The possibility of leaving the child in the home country leads to the scenario where she is not under proper care and there is a risk that there could be emergency work hours for the father, and he is not able to make necessary childcare arrangements or being physically around, for child's safety and well-being. We are a nuclear family here and there are no other care arrangements possible in my absence. Child is emotionally attached more to me and my husband is also keen to prepare and try for a healthcare visa once he clears exams for International Medical Graduates.
I would be grateful for an advise on the supporting documents/evidence that needs to be submitted. I am thinking of HR letter from my husband's hospital, do we need any lawyer's document, or affidavit?? Any points that could help build a strong case for her entry permission. Grateful for any support or guidance that could be available to deal with their query.
A child born abroad follows the same UK immigration pathway as the second/less privileged parent. If the second parent is not moving to the UK, the child can't either. The work patterns of the second parent are immaterial.
You have two options.
(a) Get legal documented proof that you are solely responsible for the child. That could be a court order, sanctioning an agreement between your husband and you. Be aware that that will complicate any future sponsorship of your spouse by you.
(b) Apply for a dependent visa for your husband and child. Your husband can choose to come to the UK with the child and then return back to his job. This is obviously the more expensive option.
As an aside, who will be looking after the child in the UK?
Also, be aware that the child will only qualify for ILR with the second parent and can only register as a British citizen if both the child and at least one parent has ILR and the other parent has British citizenship.
The long and short of it is that the child needs both parents in the UK for the immigration journey of the child to succeed (assuming no sole responsibility).
Have to disagree with this advicesecret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:01 amNone of this is relevant.mittalkavita wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 amMy reasons are that my husband is a doctor and his duty hours are not fixed, it is a rolling shift - morning/evening/night. With his given work responsibilities, he spends additional extended hours on critical cases and sometimes his schedules are very unpredictable. The possibility of leaving the child in the home country leads to the scenario where she is not under proper care and there is a risk that there could be emergency work hours for the father, and he is not able to make necessary childcare arrangements or being physically around, for child's safety and well-being. We are a nuclear family here and there are no other care arrangements possible in my absence. Child is emotionally attached more to me and my husband is also keen to prepare and try for a healthcare visa once he clears exams for International Medical Graduates.
I would be grateful for an advise on the supporting documents/evidence that needs to be submitted. I am thinking of HR letter from my husband's hospital, do we need any lawyer's document, or affidavit?? Any points that could help build a strong case for her entry permission. Grateful for any support or guidance that could be available to deal with their query.
A child born abroad follows the same UK immigration pathway as the second/less privileged parent. If the second parent is not moving to the UK, the child can't either. The work patterns of the second parent are immaterial.
You have two options.
(a) Get legal documented proof that you are solely responsible for the child. That could be a court order, sanctioning an agreement between your husband and you. Be aware that that will complicate any future sponsorship of your spouse by you.
(b) Apply for a dependent visa for your husband and child. Your husband can choose to come to the UK with the child and then return back to his job. This is obviously the more expensive option.
As an aside, who will be looking after the child in the UK?
Also, be aware that the child will only qualify for ILR with the second parent and can only register as a British citizen if both the child and at least one parent has ILR and the other parent has British citizenship.
The long and short of it is that the child needs both parents in the UK for the immigration journey of the child to succeed (assuming no sole responsibility).
That was not my advice.
I will emphasise the words "serious and compelling reasons".Greenie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:07 pmIt is possible to bring a child where the sponsoring parent does not have sole responsibility providing the following conditions are met and which is what the caseworker has asked the OP to provide evidence of
(c) the decision maker is satisfied that there are serious and compelling reasons to grant the child entry clearance or permission to stay with the parent who has permission as a Skilled Worker.
Yes and if the father obtains the spouse visa, enters once and then immediately returns back home and doesn't join the family to live here during the course of the visa this could still have the same impact if this comes to the attention of ukvi (eg at the border at some point or when they come to extend. Although this does of course depend on when the husband would join them (that's not clear from the post)secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:19 pmThat was not my advice.
My advice was for the husband to apply for a spouse visa, use that to accompany the child (and the OP if they travel at the same time) to the UK, then return back to their country of habitual residence.
That will also have the benefit of starting the husband's immigration clock, if they decide to continue on the PBS dependent route for the husband in two years time.
I will emphasise the words "serious and compelling reasons".Greenie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:07 pmIt is possible to bring a child where the sponsoring parent does not have sole responsibility providing the following conditions are met and which is what the caseworker has asked the OP to provide evidence of
(c) the decision maker is satisfied that there are serious and compelling reasons to grant the child entry clearance or permission to stay with the parent who has permission as a Skilled Worker.
If I were a caseworker, I would not regard the fact that the husband is so busy as to not be able to look after the child as "serious and compelling". There can be extended family members who can help out or the husband working locally and OP working from the UK can hire a child carer. There needs to be a stronger reason than that to meet the "serious and compelling" requirement.
mittalkavita wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:21 amThis is to update that my child's visa is refused. It is concluded for the reason that this is not a case of sole responsibility and that child can re-apply with father.
So now if we apply for both spouse and child dependent visa (sooner than we actually planned), is there any other requirement of the documents in addition to what is stated under the eligibility - relationship proof, funds (covered by the sponsor), address proof, TB certificate. My questions are:
- Is there any requirement of additional evidence of resignation/leave letter from current job (my spouse is employed within a government department in India). Never heard of such a requirements
No as your own application is concluded, however you do need to provide your granted visa vignette and employer documents e.g. CoS as reference.
- Since my visa is granted (I haven't made any entry yet, and we all plan to travel together, once their visa is granted) and their applications will be submitted new, will this be counted as a part of same application?
- Any additional maintenance or savings required, given in the COS maintenance for migrant and dependents certified by the employer.
NoGrateful for your help and advise.
Kind regards
mittalkavita wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:55 amThank you @AmazonianX
Also, if someone can guide me on the requirement of a cover note for the Child Dependent Visa (as the first application was refused), do I need to attach any letter stating any reason or anything that can have a positive impact? Or it's not really required? This is solely to address any concerns raised in previous application that was refused.
In terms of timelines, the previous application was rejected a few days back - how much ideal gap should be planned for the fresh application? Does the timing between applications matter? No Or can I make another application anytime soon? Yes
In the previous application of the child, we tried for serious and compelling reasons, as initially, father did not submit his application (and we explained that he cannot travel right now). And if we make the application for father now along with the child, will this be seen differently/suspiciously? No
Any thoughts on whether there is still risk or it could be a simple successful grant. Or is there any other route possible which could be less risky? There is no absolute guarantee for certain outcome for any application.
Thanks once again!
Sole responsibility is not as simple as submitting a letter.
Appendix Children caseworker guidance wrote:Sole parental responsibility
Sole parental responsibility means that one parent is unknown or has abdicated or abandoned parental responsibility, and the other parent is exercising sole control in setting and providing the day-to-day direction and care for the child’s welfare.
In assessing whether the applicant has sole parental responsibility for a child, you must consider any evidence provided to show that:
decisions have been taken and actions performed in relation to the upbringing of the child under the sole direction of one parent
only one parent is responsible for the child’s welfare and for what happens to them in key areas of the child’s life, and the other parent does not share this responsibility for the child
one parent has sole responsibility for:
- making decisions regarding the child’s education, health and medical treatment, religion, residence, holidays and recreation
If this evidence is not provided with the application, you can contact the applicant to request it.
- protecting the child and providing them with appropriate direction and guidance
Note that:
sole responsibility is not the same as sole legal custody - a parent may have sole legal custody for a child where the other parent is still involved in the child’s life
making significant or even sole financial provision for a child does not in itself demonstrate sole parental responsibility
where both parents are involved in the child’s upbringing, it will be rare for one parent to establish sole parental responsibility
sole parental responsibility can be recent or long-standing – any recent change of arrangements should be scrutinised to make sure you are satisfied this is genuine. If you think it necessary, you should contact both the applicant’s parents for more information
It is unrealistic for a child to have contact with no other adult other than the parent exercising sole parental responsibility. The child is likely to have contact with other adults, including relatives, and they may provide some element of care for the child, either generally or specifically such as taking the child to school. Actions of this kind that include looking after the child’s welfare may be shared with others who are not parents, for example, relatives or friends, who are available in a practical sense, providing the parent has sole overall responsibility for the welfare of the child.
You are not considering whether the child’s parent (or anyone else) has day-to-day responsibility for the child, but whether the parent has continuing sole control and direction of the child’s upbringing, including making all the important decisions in the child’s life. If not, then they do not have sole parental responsibility for the child. You must carefully consider each application on a case-by-case basis. The burden of proof is on the applicant to provide satisfactory evidence that a parent has sole parental responsibility.
For entry clearance cases, it may be necessary to use local intelligence relating to the applicant’s home country or location to advise on what evidence you should expect to see, or what is likely to be available that you could reasonably ask for, as well as how much weight to give to particular types of evidence. Country-specific information can be found in the country of origin information or via the relevant UK embassy or high commission staff.
That boat has sailed - perhaps if the route above had been taken initially there might have been the possibility of the visa being granted. Given the refusal and trying to reapply it will not be a simple matter of here is a couple of letters, job done.Megamma wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:49 pmIt is possible to bring your child with you even if your partner is not travelling with you.I got visa for my 7year old daughter.You need 2consent letters.One from child's father stating that he has no issues in sending the child with mother and mother have adequate funds to support the child and has found a private accommodation for the child.
The second consent letter should be from the mother that you are solely responsible for your child.You can consult some agency to get the format of the letter.
Can you clarify what are Sections 34.1 and 34.2?