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Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detained

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Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detained

Post by maymay007 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:59 pm

Hi All

I was previously in the UK on a T5 YMV visa which expired Jan 2015. I decided to take 6-8 months off to do some travelling and soul searching as during this time I worked long hours and didn't have the chance to travel at all as I hardly left the office!! I left went back to New Zealand/Australia after this and spent 2 months there. I then spent the summer travelled around Europe, mainly staying in Spain (but within the 80/190 days rule).

I tried to come back into the UK on a tourist visa - I had proof of finance, address registered overseas all the proof as stated in the govt site etc, and as a New Zealand passport holder, does not require a visa (it is a non visa required country) as I am allowed to stay up to 6 months in the UK on a tourist visa - and I am within that!
But recently at the start of September was denied entry into the UK for the 2 weeks I requested at the border control and was sent back to Spain where I came from after being allowed into the UK for 1 day (even though this was not my country of resident - but after 8 hours interrogation in a windowless room till 4am in the morning with a bad microwave dinner I was too tired to argument with the officer).
They stated that as I previously had a T5 visa, I have done all the "tourist" things I needed to do while on this visa, but all I wanted to do was to visit friends and have a pint! I was living off savings, but they made me out as if I was getting my money from some other means, and the officer even went as far as quoting me the interest rate earn by bank deposits! I felt like I was a criminal! You have no money, they question you. You have money, they still question you!

Does a notification of temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detained mean a permanent black mark on my passport? When does this go away - no it won't help changing passport?

I am now working as a freelancer/contractor for my own business in Australia and currently am contracted to work with a company which has clients in the UK which they have asked me to go and conduct meetings with, which requires me to be in and out of the UK at short periods at a time and around Europe.

I am not sure what I need to do to gain entry into the UK as I was told that next time I will need entry clearance and may or may not need a Business/visitor visa. This was not clear when I asked at the border control.

Does anyone know what this stamp means? Attached below.
I was told it was a Code 5 mark, but I can't find anything on the internet about it! I know a code 3 is for visitor.

Should I be applying for a business visa?
Or just getting a clearance from UK immigration?
Or can I rock up to the airport and show them all the poof as stated here?
https://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor-vis ... st-provide

Anyone had the same experience?
Advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detai

Post by Casa » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:34 pm

Firstly, all visitor visas are now 'Standard visitor visas. The basic four categories include 'Permitted Paid Engagement (PPE) visitors', which would apply to the situation under which you intend to enter. I believe these are only granted for a period of 1 month's temporary residence.

Secondly, now that you have the entry refusal in your passport, you will no longer be able to enter as a non-visa national and will have to apply for an
entry visa before travelling. This may, or may not be granted. Without this, you will automatically be 'bounced' by the IO at UK Border control. Changing your passport won't make any difference as all details of previous travel documents and transit through British ports will be held on the UKVI system indefinitely.
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Re: Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detai

Post by The Station Agent » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:51 am

I'm not sure PPE is appropriate here; that's not for meetings. A Paid Engagement basically means paid by a UK company to give a speech or a TV commentary or a gig. You would be coming here for meetings, I think, which would be standard visitor.

The reason you've been told to get entry clearance before coming back is because you were found inadmissible based on your circumstances on September 13th. So they want you to jump through hoops before coming back.

If you apply for entry clearance I would suggest it is based on business meetings and that you perhaps wait until your business is well and truly set up overseas - so that you can prove your ties to your home country are permanent and your trip to the UK is just temporary.

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Re: Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detai

Post by Casa » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:02 am

+1
Thanks for the clarification on PPE
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Re: Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detai

Post by maymay007 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:44 pm

Thanks so much for that!! I assume that it's on there forever and theres nothing I can do to get rid of it! So it's a request every time to the UK immigration for a visitor visa.
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Re: Temporary admission to a person who's liable to be detai

Post by The Station Agent » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:41 pm

I think if they give you a visa then you won't need to apply again in future. The visa (entry clearance) would be a one-time thing - if you get it you'll be fine in future as long as you prove you meet the entry conditions and aren't working here.

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