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English language requirement from 28 Oct 2013
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:09 pm
by p2kin
I was just going through home office website & found this PDF published today:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary
Have a look at APPENDIX KOLL
Looks like good upcoming business for UK NARIC now....
For myself, I'm concentrating on following
the applicant-
(i ) has limited leave to enter or remain in the UK, and
(ii) that leave (or a grant of leave which preceded it provided any periods of
leave since have been unbroken) was given on the basis that the applicant
had an English language qualification at a minimum level of B1 on the
Common European Framework of Reference for Languages.
2.3 For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1), an applicant has sufficient
knowledge about life in the United Kingdom if:
a) the applicant has passed the test known as the “Life in the UK test”
administered by learndirect limited;
I'm hoping that this also applies to application with ILR.
Have a read through & let me know your interpretation for people applying after 28th Oct who got ILR on the basis of HSMP+T1G & with Degree taught in English.
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:31 pm
by sikiliza69
I think as we draw nearer to that date, more and more queries will arise for new applicants regarding this issue.
Maybe the mods should provide a sticky thread to highlight it to members and prospective new applicants (on/after 28th oct).
My simplification would be as per the link to this thread
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 799#908799
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:02 pm
by p2kin
well, HomeOffice has actually published it. It's now just matter of our interpretation. As always HomeOffice text is vague in sense of understanding.
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:26 pm
by sikiliza69
Dear oh, oh dear...had to google NARIC to see what you meant by good business and it seems potential applicants will be forking out £55.20 for confirmation letters for degrees taught in english abroad.... tch..tch...tch
I wonder how many people are aware?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:46 pm
by p2kin
sikiliza69 wrote:Dear oh, oh dear...had to google NARIC to see what you meant by good business and it seems potential applicants will be forking out £55.20 for confirmation letters for degrees taught in english abroad.... tch..tch...tch
You Got it...!!
The only get away is
p2kin wrote:
the applicant-
(i ) has limited leave to enter or remain in the UK, and
(ii) that leave (or a grant of leave which preceded it provided any periods of
leave since have been unbroken) was given on the basis that the applicant
had an English language qualification at a minimum level of B1 on the
Common European Framework of Reference for Languages.
I just need interpretation of different people for above para in PDF.
If you are not among one of those who satisfy above para, then only option seems to be UK NARIC (for degree comparison + english language assessment)
My objection is
what happened to point based calculator data? Is that suddenly became unreliable for evaluating degrees & english language points??
Why to pay NARIC?
Many English exam providers have increased fees looking at changed requirements.... so has NARIC started crying for not making money?
look at page 60 of above PDF, everywhere they mention NARIC.. why not PBC?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:57 pm
by neoseal
P2kin, very valid point, what happened to point based system and English language points?
Perhaps, now with international students dropping and non-availability of immigration routes has resulted in loss of income for NARIC. With this new requirement now NARIC will have steady flow of income for another 2-3 years until most of people on PBS gets citizenship.
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:42 pm
by sikiliza69
The only get away is
the applicant-
(i ) has limited leave to enter or remain in the UK, and
(ii) that leave (or a grant of leave which preceded it provided any periods of
leave since have been unbroken) was given on the basis that the applicant
had an English language qualification at a minimum level of B1 on the
Common European Framework of Reference for Languages.
I think amber mentioned somewhere on a similar thread that a guide from the HO would be the best way forward, whenever that materializes i.e.
Nonetheless, as per that statement highlighted above, the key would be to work out which year those english requirements restrictions were introduced and use that as reference point ( same way they do citizenship by parents if born on or after Jan 1983 as an example) ...but again i reckon this would be pointed out in the guide.
Link to ambers thread
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=144586
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:22 pm
by babe_khyber
sikiliza69 wrote:The only get away is
the applicant-
(i ) has limited leave to enter or remain in the UK, and
(ii) that leave (or a grant of leave which preceded it provided any periods of
leave since have been unbroken) was given on the basis that the applicant
had an English language qualification at a minimum level of B1 on the
Common European Framework of Reference for Languages.
I think amber mentioned somewhere on a similar thread that a guide from the HO would be the best way forward, whenever that materializes i.e.
Nonetheless, as per that statement highlighted above, the key would be to work out which year those english requirements restrictions were introduced and use that as reference point ( same way they do citizenship by parents if born on or after Jan 1983 as an example) ...but again i reckon this would be pointed out in the guide.
Link to ambers thread
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=144586
today the govt announced they are going to change some immigration rules but its still unclear the plan for category.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... r/08-rules
best wishes.
babe khyber
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:08 am
by p2kin
There is link for PDF on the left hand side of page where changes are explained...
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:13 am
by Amber
It appears from the statement of changes that the NARIC statement of comparability will be required with either:
The NARIC English Language Assessment certificate or
A letter from the institution confirming the medium of instruction was English
I see no reason why these will not suffice.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:49 pm
by p2kin
D4109125 wrote:
A letter from the institution confirming the medium of instruction was English
Where did you see that?
I see following (Which insist on UK NARIC has to confirm):
the applicant has obtained an academic qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and
(1) provides the specified documentary evidence to show he has the
qualification, and
(2) UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or
researched in English;
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:07 pm
by Amber
the applicant has obtained an academic
qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which
is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor
's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and
(1) provides the specified documenta
ry evidence to show he has the
qualification, and
(2) UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or
researched in English; or
v)
the applicant has obtained an academic
qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which
is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor
's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and provides the specified evidence to show:
(1) he has the qua
lification, and
(2) that the qualification was taught
or researched in English;
Thus
It appears from the statement of changes that the NARIC statement of comparability will be required with either:
The NARIC English Language Assessment certificate or
A letter from the institution confirming the medium of instruction was English
I see no reason why these will not suffice.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:27 pm
by p2kin
D4109125 wrote:
(2) that the qualification was taught
or researched in English[/b];
.
Right... overlooked that second point missing word UK NARIC..
I hope they publish new version of form AN with something more that would make is obvious that we don't need assessment from UK NARIC... if you already have certificate from awarding body.
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:37 pm
by MP1982
Apologise If I have missed something but this is straight from the Home Office site this monring,
'From 28 October there will also be changes to the way applicants for indefinite leave to remain are required to demonstrate their knowledge of the English language and of life in the UK.'
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... r/08-rules
So does this mean this applies to people who apply for ILR after 28th OCt 2013 and doesnt apply to people who are already got ILR but applying for Citizenship after 28th October 2013?
Thank you,
MP
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:53 pm
by Amber
Yes it applies to anyone applying for settlement or naturalisation from 28-Oct-2013.
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:02 pm
by jeebu
The statement changes don't mention anything about naturalization, I had the same doubt as MP1982.
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:12 pm
by Amber
That's because Nationality applications do not come under immigration rules. Instead the changes will come under the British Nationality Act 1981, which:
Section 41(1A)(f) wrote:enable a person designated by the Secretary of State to determine sufficiency of knowledge in specified circumstances
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:14 pm
by mubashir9819
Yes. I had the same assumption that it ONLY applies to people applying for ILR and not for people applying for naturalization. The statement of changes does not mention anything about people applying for naturalization. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:17 pm
by Amber
D4109125 wrote:That's because Nationality applications do not come under immigration rules. Instead the changes will come under the British Nationality Act 1981, which:
Section 41(1A)(f) wrote:enable a person designated by the Secretary of State to determine sufficiency of knowledge in specified circumstances
Naturalisation after oct. 2013 Esol or life in the uk test
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:54 pm
by babe_khyber
mubashir9819 wrote:Yes. I had the same assumption that it ONLY applies to people applying for ILR and not for people applying for naturalization. The statement of changes does not mention anything about people applying for naturalization. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks
Hi friend`s. In my limited knowledge I hope so the new rules is just for ILR Stage but we are still confused what happening on the day after 27 Oct.2013 at the movement no body knows the real changes even solicitors as well. however within the next few days home office will be announcing proper guidance for Naturalisation.
best wishes
babe khyber
Re: Naturalisation after oct. 2013 Esol or life in the uk te
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:56 pm
by Jambo
babe_khyber wrote:mubashir9819 wrote:Yes. I had the same assumption that it ONLY applies to people applying for ILR and not for people applying for naturalization. The statement of changes does not mention anything about people applying for naturalization. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks
Hi friend`s. In my limited knowledge I hope so the new rules is just for ILR Stage but we are still confused what happening on the day after 27 Oct.2013 at the movement no body knows the real changes even solicitors as well. however within the next few days home office will be announcing proper guidance for Naturalisation.
best wishes
babe khyber
This applies both to settlement and naturalisation. The statement of changes only refers to ILR as it refers to the changes in the immigration rules. Naturalisation is not under the immigration rules but under the nationality act.
Re: Naturalisation after oct. 2013 Esol or life in the uk te
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:48 pm
by babe_khyber
Jambo wrote:babe_khyber wrote:mubashir9819 wrote:Yes. I had the same assumption that it ONLY applies to people applying for ILR and not for people applying for naturalization. The statement of changes does not mention anything about people applying for naturalization. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks
Hi friend`s. In my limited knowledge I hope so the new rules is just for ILR Stage but we are still confused what happening on the day after 27 Oct.2013 at the movement no body knows the real changes even solicitors as well. however within the next few days home office will be announcing proper guidance for Naturalisation.
best wishes
babe khyber
This applies both to settlement and naturalisation. The statement of changes only refers to ILR as it refers to the changes in the immigration rules. Naturalisation is not under the immigration rules but under the nationality act.
I have found this information through life in the uk test page and would like to share to the forum.
http://lifeintheuk.net/index.php/news/c ... ober_2013/
best wishes