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Surinder Singh path forfeits naturalization by marriage?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:58 pm
by B's opinion
Hello all.

I am Latin-American and met my British husband when we worked together in my country 14 years ago. We lived together for 6 years and got married in UK in 2006. I gave up my career and obtained a UK Settlement visa in 2007 when we moved back to England, but my husband could not get a job in his field within Britain and he accepted another position abroad.
We remained working abroad and going back to Britain every year as we own our home there (it is our home, it is not rented out) until 2009 when my visa was due for renewal. I was supposed to apply for ILR then but we thought I would not qualify due to the long periods absent from UK.
So -under professional legal advice- I got another Settlement visa (not an extension). This one finished in 2011 while my husband was still working abroad and I was with him.
In June 2012 my husband changed job and we moved to an EU country to be closer to home. As we go back to UK often, I got a 2-year Visit Visa which is valid until 2014. But early this year when we found that immigration rules are to change in October again, my husband resigned his post with the view of going back to Britain and stay, because we feared that this new regulations would make my options for naturalization more difficult in the future. This seems the last resource despite the slim probabilities of obtaining appropriate work once there (my husband’s professional field is very specialized, requiring him to work in the tropics).

After getting legal advice again, we obtained a Family Permit in July this year and went home to UK only for a month to organize our definitive return later this winter. At the moment we are abroad again as my husband has to finish some last pending work commitments.
I have not applied yet for the Residence Card/Permit because I now doubt this decision to take the “Surinder Singh” option. I have read online (maybe on this site but I can not find the quote again) that once one takes this path one will be compelled to complete 5 years of continuous residence before being granted ILR, therefore naturalization is not possible before 6 years.

Under the former regulations I would have been able to apply for ILR after 3 years, and we wonder if we could request naturalization now based on my previous settlement visas, we hoped that we could request the time of presence in UK requirements to be waived since my husband’s work had compelled me to live abroad.
I meet all the other requirements under Immigration Rules Part 8 Art. 282 (b) but I do not know if applying for ILE is still possible (I have not been able to find information about how to apply in the UKBA site). For the rest, as you can judge I am able to communicate in English, we are economically self-sufficient, we have our own home and I fulfil every other requisite as requested for a wife’s naturalization except the permanence in UK.
I hope someone here can help me with opinions about best possibilities for me to obtain a fair way to naturalization. I already tried legal advice twice and it proved a waste of money. I feel it is rather unjust that in order to establish my legal right to live in my home, my husband would have to give up his right to professional achievement. He is almost 60 and has great experience in his field, but not likely to be easily employable in England.
Thanks a lot to all for your interest, input... and patience. B :(

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:44 pm
by vinny
As the spouse of a British citizen, you may immediately naturalise after attaining PR (after 5 years), provided the other requirements are met.

282 is no longer applicable here.

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:13 pm
by Jambo
PR (under Surinder Singh) or ILR (following spouse visa) is required in order to apply for naturalisation.

It seems that you lost the opportunities to apply for ILR before the rules changed. The current rules requires 5 years for ILR even under the spouse route so it is better to stay under Surinder Singh route.

There are no short cuts I'm afraid. After 5 years of residence in the UK (it doesn't matter if & when you apply for the Residence Card under Surinder Singh), you could apply for naturalisation.

If you decide to go back to live in Europe for a few more years, then you can return using the Surinder Singh route at a later stage. Surinder Singh route has been around since '93 so I don't expect this to change in the near future.

5 years wait for ILR even with a process already started??

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:58 pm
by B's opinion
Thanks for the insights Jambo. I really appreciate the effort from everybody in the group, yours specially. And if "the milk has been spilled" then...
I hope that -at least- my experience can serve as cautionary tale to those who might trust blindly to lawyers' advices (sorry Just-Amber, I really take at heart your quote).
I still have a doubt, though. When I visited last time the UKBA page about "Family life..." I noticed a note that reads: "If you made an application to enter the UK on or before 8 July 2012 please see the Partners who applied on or before 8 July 2012 pages.". What do they refer to? "If you applied to come to the UK as a partner on or before 8 July 2012, the conditions of your stay have not changed. If you apply to extend your stay or settle in the UK, we will consider your application under the rules that applied until 8 July 2012."
Since I had my two SET visas before 2012 would not this apply to my case?
Thanx,

Re: 5 years wait for ILR even with a process already started

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:13 pm
by Jambo
B's opinion wrote:Thanks for the insights Jambo. I really appreciate the effort from everybody in the group, yours specially. And if "the milk has been spilled" then...
I hope that -at least- my experience can serve as cautionary tale to those who might trust blindly to lawyers' advices (sorry Just-Amber, I really take at heart your quote).
I still have a doubt, though. When I visited last time the UKBA page about "Family life..." I noticed a note that reads: "If you made an application to enter the UK on or before 8 July 2012 please see the Partners who applied on or before 8 July 2012 pages.". What do they refer to? "If you applied to come to the UK as a partner on or before 8 July 2012, the conditions of your stay have not changed. If you apply to extend your stay or settle in the UK, we will consider your application under the rules that applied until 8 July 2012."
Since I had my two SET visas before 2012 would not this apply to my case?
Thanx,
This all assumes you still have a valid visa which is not your case.

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:01 pm
by B's opinion
Right!, TA again. :wink: