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How many people have lost their british citizenship ?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:19 pm
by Tonyb2
How many have lost their british citizenship because they claim to be from different country than they claimed to be.
Thanks
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:08 pm
by Amber
I think you mean deprivation of British citizenship status by order under section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 rather than 'lost'. Moreover, I think you will find very few cases of deprivation. In order to find out such information you will be best writing to the Home Office under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and asking for statistics on deprivation of British citizenship status. See also,
Chapter 55 DEPRIVATION AND NULLITY OF BRITISH CITIZENSHIP (click). You must also consider the fine line in distinguishing between deprivation and nullity particularly in cases of impersonation.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:30 pm
by Ayyubi72
So, Can the HO nullify citizenship rather than depriving, if someone has given wrong details all the way eg wrong nationality ?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:53 pm
by Amber
If a person for example, gave details of a deceased person of another nationality, then that could null and void their application. However, the example you are alluding to could be one of deprivation. If the nationality of the applicant was a material fact to the previous application e.g. Asylum based on being a Kosovan national then that could lead to a deprivation order. However, if the applicant claimed to be Kosovan but was in fact born in Albania and was subsequently granted ILR under the family ILR concession in 2005 then that person would unlikely be deprived of Citizenship as the applicant's nationality was not relevant to how ILR was granted. So the primary question was/is 'was the applicant's Nationality of material significance to the settlement/ILR application' or 'any previous immigration application'?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:18 pm
by Ayyubi72
Thanks.
So, people who were granted asylum with "wrong" nationality face a real risk of deprivation when their lies are discovered.
wrong date of birth
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:30 pm
by naija99
Would citizenship be deprived if wrong date of birth was given? It was over 40 years ago and the citizenship was given as a result of spouse visa.
Also what is the procedure to declare the correct date of birth in order to then apply for a new passport with correct date of birth in it?
Re: wrong date of birth
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:24 pm
by Tonyb2
Been here over 15 years
Wife british
Children british
For some reason HO decided to deprive my citizenship because I claimed to be from diffrent country.
Chapter 55
In general the Secretary of State will not deprive of British citizenship in the following circumstances:
• Where fraud postdates the application for British citizenship it will not be appropriate to pursue deprivation action.
• If a person has been resident in the United Kingdom for more than 14 years we will not normally deprive of citizenship
Re: wrong date of birth
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:34 pm
by Ayyubi72
Tonyb2 wrote:
• Where fraud postdates the application for British citizenship it will not be appropriate to pursue deprivation action.
This does not apply to you, because your fraud pre dates the BC application.
• If a person has been resident in the United Kingdom for more than 14 years we will not normally deprive of citizenship
we will not normally deprive of citizenship doesn't mean we will never deprive of citizenship
Re: wrong date of birth
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:42 pm
by Tonyb2
I know what I've done was wrong that's.
But it doesn't mean that I shouldn't get another chance.
I,ve always worked
Paid my taxes
Been a good citizen
Why after me?
Thanks
• Where fraud postdates the application for British citizenship it will not be appropriate to pursue deprivation action.
This does not apply to you, because your fraud pre dates the BC application.
• If a person has been resident in the United Kingdom for more than 14 years we will not normally deprive of citizenship
we will not normally deprive of citizenship doesn't mean we will never deprive of citizenship
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:11 pm
by Ayyubi72
But the foundation of your life including always working and paying taxes etc in UK has been built on a big lie and fraud.
If working and paying taxes and being a good citizen was the only criteria than I am sure a few billion people of the world would automatically qualify for British Citizenship.
Re: wrong date of birth
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:15 pm
by Ayyubi72
naija99 wrote:Would citizenship be deprived if wrong date of birth was given? It was over 40 years ago and the citizenship was given as a result of spouse visa.
Also what is the procedure to declare the correct date of birth in order to then apply for a new passport with correct date of birth in it?
If I were in the situation, I would ask what would I gain by "correcting" the date of Birth? What is the point now and what is the need for this "correction"?
I would just leave it alone as it is.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:28 pm
by Tonyb2
Who's perfect in life?
We all learn from mistakes.
In general the Secretary of State will not deprive of British citizenship in the following circumstances:
• Where fraud postdates the application for British citizenship it will not be appropriate to pursue deprivation action.
• If a person has been resident in the United Kingdom for more than 14 years we will not normally deprive of citizenship
55.7.2.5
Ayyubi72 wrote:But the foundation of your life including always working and paying taxes etc in UK has been built on a big lie and fraud.
If working and paying taxes and being a good citizen was the only criteria than I am sure a few billion people of the world would automatically qualify for British Citizenship.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:53 pm
by Ayyubi72
Tonyb2 wrote:Who's perfect in life?
We all learn from mistakes.
Yes, nobody is perfect. But we must face the consequences of our actions.
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:30 am
by Amber
Tonyb2, have you sought legal advice?
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:42 am
by Tonyb2
Hi Amber
i have solicitor who has been dealing with my case for last 6 years.
the problem is that good people get done.
People like Abu Hamza alway on win.
I'm not the only one who made a mistake.
We all watch news, we all see whats happening on everyday life, noone its perfect, I thought that HO has better things to do than chase me.
Thanks
Amber_ wrote:Tonyb2, have you sought legal advice?
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:21 am
by Ayyubi72
Tonyb2 wrote:
People like Abu Hamza alway on win.
Abu Hamza has been thrown out, and locked up in Jordan.
Please stop sounding like an innocent victim.
You gained residence in this country by fraud and deception. Its no one else's fault.
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:27 am
by Tonyb2
Lol
Why are you such a hater?
I bet your parent or grant parents done same thing.
Ayyubi72 wrote:Tonyb2 wrote:
People like Abu Hamza alway on win.
Abu Hamza has been thrown out, and locked up in Jordan.
Please stop sounding like an innocent victim.
You gained residence in this country by fraud and deception. Its no one else's fault.
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:54 am
by Amber
Given that ILR ceases to exist when you gain citizenship are you now classed as an overstayer? Have the HO sent a revocation of ILR letter or is there no need as it ceased to exist when you were naturalised, what did your solicitor say? How many years have you been in the UK?
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:08 pm
by Ayyubi72
[quote="Tonyb2"]
Why are you such a hater?
Where does the question of love and hate arise?
You youselves have admitted that you employed deception and fraud. Only politically correct lunatic lefties would send you love letters for your deeds.
I bet your parent or grant parents done same thing.
My parents or grand parents done what thing?
[quote="Tonyb2"]
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:45 pm
by Tonyb2
To Ayyubi72
Mate, thanks for your time in replying to my post.
I would appreciate if you could leave some room for other people to express their opinion, than rather reading all your quoted post.
thanks
[quote="Ayyubi72"]
british citizenship null and void
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:43 am
by eagle_guy34
I have heard that some Albanians who gave false details and claimed asylum as kosovans have lost their british citizenship through deprivation process. However the policy on deprivation of citizenship excludes those who have been minors at the time of deception, those who have lived in the UK for over 14 years and those granted ILR under concession. Lately and for the first time to hear this one of my relatives who was granted refugee status and ILR as kosovan and he was a minor at the time of deception had his passport and certificate of naturalisation cancelled and considered to be null and void on the basis that the person who he claimed to be did not exist. He had informed them more than 3 years ago and they took no action because he was excluded from the deprivation of citizenship policy. his certificate of naturalisation was endorsed with the correct details as well.
No right of appeal but he is challenging through judicial review.
do you know anyone who has been faced with similar problems?
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:27 am
by Amber
I am afraid you are incorrect eagle_guy34 and should read Chapter 55 as linked in the previous page.
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:54 pm
by eagle_guy34
Amber_ wrote:I am afraid you are incorrect eagle_guy34 and should read Chapter 55 as linked in the previous page.
Incorrect about what?
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:23 pm
by Amber
vinny wrote:Chapter 55: Deprivation (section 40) and nullity wrote:55.5 Timing
55.5.1 There is no specific time limit within which deprivation procedures must be initiated. A person to whom s.
40 of the 1981 Act applies remains indefinitely liable to deprivation on the terms outlined above.
is subject to
Chapter 55: Deprivation (section 40) and nullity wrote:55.7.2.6 Deprivation on fraud grounds regardless of length of residence
Although the Secretary of State will not normally deprive someone of their British citizenship where they have more than 14 years residence in the United Kingdom (long residence), circumstances in which the Secretary of State may still proceed to deprive of British citizenship include, but are not limited to, where:
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:42 pm
by eagle_guy34
Amber_ wrote:vinny wrote:Chapter 55: Deprivation (section 40) and nullity wrote:55.5 Timing
55.5.1 There is no specific time limit within which deprivation procedures must be initiated. A person to whom s.
40 of the 1981 Act applies remains indefinitely liable to deprivation on the terms outlined above.
is subject to
Chapter 55: Deprivation (section 40) and nullity wrote:55.7.2.6 Deprivation on fraud grounds regardless of length of residence
Although the Secretary of State will not normally deprive someone of their British citizenship where they have more than 14 years residence in the United Kingdom (long residence), circumstances in which the Secretary of State may still proceed to deprive of British citizenship include, but are not limited to, where:
You are still not getting my point. The secretary of state couldn't deprive the person concerned as he didn't fall under the policy of depriving him. he was a minor when granted asylum. there has never been suggested by secretary of state to deprive him of his naturalisation. apart from the deception when he claimed asylum in 2000 he has been of good character. however in October 2013 he received a letter telling him to surrender his passport and certificate of naturalisation as he is not a British citizen and he has never been a British citizen and have both been cancelled. They told him that he gave different details when he claimed asylum and he was granted refugee status and ILR by deception so naturalisation was given to the person from Kosovo and in fact you are different person born in Albania.
my question is: someone who has used deception when claimed asylum can loose nationality through deprivation or naturalisation considered as null and void?