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Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:05 pm**

Hi guys,

Nearly done with the form and been through the guidance but just want to confirm that my understanding of 5 year residence requirement is correct.

Do you think the 5 year residence requirement is satisfied with the below time period?

18 January 2011 to 21 January 2015 tier 1 general (approx 4 years) (present in UK this date)
22 January 2015 to 23 January 2016 ILR (approx 1 year)
Total 5 years

I was granted tier 1 general on 18 February 2010 and completed 5 years in 2015 but applied for ILR 28 days prior to leave expire by same day service. Only mentioning this as if I need to include this year too, I will have to wait until 18 February 2016?
Thanks

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:15 pm**

The qualifying period is counting 5 years backwards from date you apply for citizenship, which for you must include one full year on ILR.

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:40 pm**

Thanks for the prompt response CR001

Does the same apply to the dependent as well say for my wife?

Mar 2011 to Jan 2015 tier 1 dependent (3 yrs 10 months)
Jan 2015 to Mar 2016 ILR (1 year 2 months)
Total 5 years

Just confirming for double checking
Thanks again for valuable advice

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:45 pm**

Yes, it needs to be exactly 5 years to the day and you both must have been physically present in the UK 5 years ago on the same date as you submit your application.

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:49 pm**

KA941 wrote:Hi guys,

Nearly done with the form and been through the guidance but just want to confirm that my understanding of 5 year residence requirement is correct.

Do you think the 5 year residence requirement is satisfied with the below time period?

18 January 2011 to 21 January 2015 tier 1 general (approx 4 years) (present in UK this date)
22 January 2015 to 23 January 2016 ILR (approx 1 year)
Total 5 years

I was granted tier 1 general on 18 February 2010 and completed 5 years in 2015 but applied for ILR 28 days prior to leave expire by same day service. Only mentioning this as if I need to include this year too, I will have to wait until 18 February 2016?
Thanks

This doesn't compute:

18 January 2011 to 21 January 2015 tier 1 general (approx 4 years) (present in UK this date)

do you mean 2010

See forum FAQs, Q1:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 95747.html

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:18 pm**

Sorry may be I wasn't clear

Tier 1 - 18 February 2010 - 21 January 2015 (applied ILR 28 days before)
ILR - 22 jan 2015 and planning to apply for naturalisation on 23 jan 2016

However as I dint have tier 1 on 23 jan 2010, I wanted to make sure that I could use 4 years (I.e. from Jan 2011) from tier 1 and 1 year from ILR to satisfy 5 year residence requirement. Hope it's more clearer this time
Thanks

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:25 pm**

However as I dint have tier 1 on 23 jan 2010, I wanted to make sure that I could use 4 years (I.e. from Jan 2011) from tier 1 and 1 year from ILR to satisfy 5 year residence requirement. Hope it's more clearer this time

CR001 wrote:Yes, it needs to be exactly 5 years to the day and you both must have been physically present in the UK 5 years ago on the same date as you submit your application.

It is basically 6 years residence but for citizenship, only the 5 years immediately preceding the date of application is used to calculate the qualifying period.

Posted: **Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:39 am**

CR001 wrote:
However as I dint have tier 1 on 23 jan 2010, I wanted to make sure that I could use 4 years (I.e. from Jan 2011) from tier 1 and 1 year from ILR to satisfy 5 year residence requirement. Hope it's more clearer this time

CR001 wrote:Yes, it needs to be exactly 5 years to the day and you both must have been physically present in the UK 5 years ago on the same date as you submit your application.
It is basically 6 years residence but for citizenship, only the 5 years immediately preceding the date of application is used to calculate the qualifying period.

Sorry CR001 - I'm confused

Does this mean I must wait for 6 years before applying? (i.e. 5 year tier 1 and 1 year ILR)

OR

5 years in total is required of which minimum 1 year should be ILR and the remaining can be made up of any legal UK stay e.g. student, dependent, tier (s) etc which must be continuous and immediately before applying ?

Thanks

Posted: **Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:54 am**

You needed 5 years residence to qualify for ILR. Then you need 12 months on ILR to qualify for citizenship so that equals 6 years.

Citizenship is based on 5 years residence, the last 1 year must be on ILR (unless married to a British Citizen), so that means 4 years of your Tier 1 plus 1 year on ILR. It is not difficult.

Your qualifying time for citizenship if you apply in January 2016 will be from January 2011 to January 2016, regardless of the date of entry in 2010. So in effect, your first year/few months in the UK are not counted for citizenship qualifying 5 years residence.

For the sake of citizenship, you need to ignore the fact that you applied for ILR 28 days before reaching 5 years. You are over thinking this. Immigration rules and Nationality rules are different.

Posted: **Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:06 am**

Wow...!

Many thanks. Makes absolute sense now

I was overthinking

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:43 am**

Hi All

Just wondering if someone can please help providing/clarifying following questions?

Question 1.22 - English Language requirement

I have a UK degree, but do I still need a confirmation from UK NARIC and obviously pay them? Only asking as the question is very confusing. 2 conditions have to be confirmed to satisfy language requirement stated below:
Academic qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of bachelors/masters in UK and (sub condition below):
ii - qualification was taught in UK

Question 1.50 Employment history:
does a specific order need to be followed while filling the table i.e. most recent first or its a personal preference?
and I am currently full time employed and at the same time director of a company should I tick both boxes?
Does the current employment also need to be entered in the employment table?
Many thanks

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:48 am**

KA941 wrote:Hi All

Just wondering if someone can please help providing/clarifying following questions?

Question 1.22 - English Language requirement

I have a UK degree, but do I still need a confirmation from UK NARIC and obviously pay them? Only asking as the question is very confusing. 2 conditions have to be confirmed to satisfy language requirement stated below:
Academic qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of bachelors/masters in UK and (sub condition below):
ii - qualification was taught in UK
The UK degree certificate will meet the English requirement.

Question 1.50 Employment history:
does a specific order need to be followed while filling the table i.e. most recent first or its a personal preference? Most recent job first and then in order going backwards
and I am currently full time employed and at the same time director of a company should I tick both boxes? Not sure
Does the current employment also need to be entered in the employment table? Yes
Many thanks

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:10 am**

Thanks CR001

You were quicker than my expectation...

Re English language, how would I prove that it is deemed by UK NARIC to be a bachelor degree?

and 1 further question

Section 2
Date and place of first arrival in UK - my understanding is that it will be the very first time I entered the UK e.g. in my case it was 2003 and have been living here since then and place will be London where I first landed?

Thanks for the valuable information

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:15 am**

A UK degree DOES NOT need to be certified by NARIC.

If that was your first date of arrival and place of arrival then that is what you write.

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:52 pm**

Hi All,

Not sure if someone noticed but we seem to be having different versions of the following documents

AN Guide - December 15
Booklet AN - November 15
Form AN - October 15

My question is how can a guide of December 15 version is published for Oct 15 AN form? Does that mean that we should be expecting a new form coming out soon? Even looking at the guidance, it keeps on referring to pg24 to supply any further information, however From AN - Oct 15 has pg 23 to provide further information.

if someone can shed some light on this, it will be greatly appreciated
Thanks
KA

Posted: **Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:59 pm**

Thanks Cr001

Looking at the latest guidance, I think I will include my degree and points based calculator to show that the degree was recognised.

However I have question (already asked before) and this is bothering me a bit, "and I am currently full time employed and at the same time director of a company should I tick both boxes?" Lets say I select both options but I have further question relating to self employment,

I became director of my company in April 15, which means that company accounts are not due until April'16. Furthermore, I am currently not registered for self assessment and my return (which I believe is not due until 31 Jan 2017). How should I explain this in my form?

Has anyone got a personal experience of similar situation?

Thanks
KA

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:37 pm**

Hi All,

Would someone be kind enough to help with questions from the last 2 posts (from yesterday). I have NCS appointment on 23.1.16 and want to make sure that I am fully ready before applying.

Also I have 2 PCNs (1 for parking on double yellow line and one for stopping in yellow box in a junction). If I need to disclose these, should these be disclosed under question 3.2 by saying yes? Although this asks for criminal conviction.

Also if I have to, am I correct to answer the conviction like below

Country where convicted: UK
Nature of offence: Parking on double yellow line (paid xx date)
Sentence given: NA
Date sentenced: Blank
Imprisonment: None

May be I am over thinking but want your help to be absolutely sure before applying.
Thanks in advance

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:56 pm**

KA941 wrote:Hi All,

Would someone be kind enough to help with questions from the last 2 posts (from yesterday). I have NCS appointment on 23.1.16 and want to make sure that I am fully ready before applying.

Also I have 2 PCNs (1 for parking on double yellow line and one for stopping in yellow box in a junction). If I need to disclose these, should these be disclosed under question 3.2 by saying yes? Although this asks for criminal conviction.

Also if I have to, am I correct to answer the conviction like below

Country where convicted: UK
Nature of offence: Parking on double yellow line (paid xx date)
Sentence given: NA
Date sentenced: Blank
Imprisonment: None

May be I am over thinking but want your help to be absolutely sure before applying.
Thanks in advance

I would check No to the question 3.1
but would provide these 2 PCNs in Page 22 - Further information not covered in other sections.

you can use the format which you have given (from the AN-Form

Also there is a new version for AN-Application form in January 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 1-2016.pdf

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:47 pm**

Thank you Saanju9, thank you for the value able help.
Would you be able to assist with the the below question. Sorry I have searched a lot online but am unable to find any help.

I am currently full time employed and at the same time director of a company should I tick both boxes?" Lets say I select both options but I have further question relating to self employment,

I became director of my company in April 15, which means that my self assessment is not due until April'16. Furthermore, I am currently not registered for self assessment and my return (which I believe is not due until 31 Jan 2017). Although I have not earned any income from that company.

Do I need to mention this in the form under employment and if I do, do I need to provide them with any HMRC documents even though I dont currently have anything (because my self assessment is not due until Jan 2017 for which I need to register by Aug 16)

Sorry I am vrey confused
Thanks
KA

Posted: **Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:56 pm**

Hi Guys,

Just wondering if someone can please help with following quick questions?

1) Can the same Referee (professional and British) sign mine and my spouse's application if applied at same time or different time?

2) I have to provide a lot of information on page 22 (additional information) and I was thinking of typing it up. Do you think this could be a problem if the rest of the form is filled in by pen? (Just making sure and looking for some personal experience)

thanks for the valuable advice in advance.

Thanks
KA

Posted: **Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:06 pm**

KA941 wrote:Hi Guys,

Just wondering if someone can please help with following quick questions?

1) Can the same Referee (professional and British) sign mine and my spouse's application if applied at same time or different time? Yes

2) I have to provide a lot of information on page 22 (additional information) and I was thinking of typing it up. Do you think this could be a problem if the rest of the form is filled in by pen? (Just making sure and looking for some personal experience) What is so much that you have to add as additional information? This should not be necessary to 'write an essay' for your application.

thanks for the valuable advice in advance.

Thanks
KA

Posted: **Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:22 pm**

CR001 wrote:
KA941 wrote:Hi Guys,

Just wondering if someone can please help with following quick questions?

...

thanks for the valuable advice in advance.

Thanks
KA

2) I submitted brief 'additional info' for 2 applications that was printed (printed by slipping the relevant page into printer);
both applications approved with no questions.

As long as legible & cogent why would HO object.

Posted: **Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:45 am**

Many thanks and much appreciated
KA941

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