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Dear Team

I hold British passport with British citizens by decent been qualified from British Overseas citizens and got the British Citizen Registration certificate as British Citizen in 2003 under section 4B.

I live in UAE and my wife is UAE national hold Emarati passport, she is pregnant and willing to travel to UK to give her birth over there.

The child when born is he/she qualified to get British Passport being me as father with British Citizen Certificate holder issued from Home Office UK and hold British Citizen Passport.

Means is the process is easy or needs to go for long steps as we need to travel back to Dubai for our job.

And what are the steps uf possible ?

Thank you

Waleed

As you have been registered under Section 4B of the BNA 1981, you are a British citizen by descent under Section 14 (1)(d), as you stated.

The child will be a British citizen by birth if the child is born in the UK, but not if she is born abroad.

I am not aware of the nuances of Emarati nationality law, but I believe that it can be passed through the father only (please correct me if I am wrong). In such a case, as your wife is Emarati, the child would be born stateless if born outside the UK.

It is therefore highly advisable for your wife to give birth to the child in the UK.

You may also wish to give some thought to having your wife give birth in Ireland. As an EU citizen, you have a right to take your wife to Ireland and the child, if born in Ireland, will be a dual Irish/British citizen, which could become important later on if there is a Brexit.

Dear simon

Thank you for your feedback

It's true that only through father in UAE can pass the passport

But is this process in UK is easy to obtain the passport

If you can explain in brief i will be thankful

What's are the documents and time frame

Is the child will have to register first and wait till its over then we can apply for the passport

Please accept my appreciation

You will also have to consider how your wife will enter the UK. As a visitor she won't be entitled to use NHS facilities and will have to arrange private medical treatment before she travels.
If you’re applying to visit for private medical treatment
You must prove that you:
have a medical condition that needs private consultation or treatment in the UK
have made or paid for arrangements for consultations or treatment
have enough money to pay for your treatment, support yourself without using public funds and pay for your return or onward journey
will leave the UK once your treatment is completed, or when your visa expires
are not a danger to public health if you’re suffering from an infectious disease, eg leprosy

Dear Casa

In terms of funds no issues and we will use the private facilities available in UK for the delivery and rest of the medication process.

She will enter as visitor

My concern is the time frame will take to process the child passport and how easy its and rest of documents required to prepare them in advance.

Can you assist me with these informations

I'll let others better placed to advise on the timescale. However, I'm not sure what you mean about applying in advance as you can only apply once your child is born.
You must ensure your wife applies as a medical visitor with a letter from the consultant/medical practitioner confirming the pre-booking for the hospital/private clinic confinement.

Dear Casa

UAE national are not eligible to apply visa to UK recent to the visa wave law from UK

Last year we visited UK and she apply the visa online pre the travel date 2 days.

So the visa alway will be general visitors with 6 months

But we will be booked for hospital from our own arrange

Is this fine or will end with issues

Thank you

A word of caution, see the following link:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/immigr ... a#p1317583

You can apply for a child's passport using the one week fast track service.

Dear

What document are required for this passport issuance - so I be ready for them and bring them with me from UAE

Thank you

For applications made in UK:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... ssport.pdf

Waleed01 wrote:Dear

What document are required for this passport issuance - so I be ready for them and bring them with me from UAE

Thank you

Passports and citizenship are different things, but generally you need to be a citizen of a country to get a passport from that country.

As you are a British citizen, if your child is born in the UK the child will automatically be a British citizen. You will need the child's birth certificate and also your own birth certificate and proof of your British citizenship.

secret.simon wrote:You may also wish to give some thought to having your wife give birth in Ireland. As an EU citizen, you have a right to take your wife to Ireland and the child, if born in Ireland, will be a dual Irish/British citizen, which could become important later on if there is a Brexit.

I don't see how the child would be British if born outside Her Majesty's domains. Now, if the child would be entitled to no other nationality, it would be Irish, but otherwise it is likely not to be Irish until an Irish passport is applied for for it (entitlement through the father because of place of birth).

Birth in Northern Ireland?

Richard W wrote:

secret.simon wrote:You may also wish to give some thought to having your wife give birth in Ireland. As an EU citizen, you have a right to take your wife to Ireland and the child, if born in Ireland, will be a dual Irish/British citizen, which could become important later on if there is a Brexit.

I don't see how the child would be British if born outside Her Majesty's domains. Now, if the child would be entitled to no other nationality, it would be Irish, but otherwise it is likely not to be Irish until an Irish passport is applied for for it (entitlement through the father because of place of birth).

Hi Richard,
Good Morning!

"Secret Simon" is right the child if born in either Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland will still be entitled to Irish citizenship and British citizenship by birth.
The child of a British citizen is British by birth irrespective where is it born. Apart from certain conditions.

Let's take a scenario:
A British couple went for a holiday to Japan without realizing that the wife was pregnant. Half way through their vacation the baby arrives. Now the Baby is born in Japan. But Japan does not confer it citizenship to foreigners! The child will not become a Japanese citizen. The child is still British, only trouble is explaining the British authorities and getting the travel documents will be a nightmare for the family.

Even if the child is born in the UAE the child should ideally get his/ her British passport as the father passes the citizenship to his child.
Considering the fact that birth parents are happy to spend on private medical care they are probably trying to skip the red tape that they would have to go through in UAE. As the national law is a bit tricky (Sharia & rights of the father). I am sure they must have their reasons for having their baby in the father's country of citizenship or equivalent.

I hope this clears the doubts.

Thank you,
Best regards,

Aaron.

Aaron-Law wrote:The child of a British citizen is British by birth irrespective where is it born. Apart from certain conditions.

For example, if neither parent is British otherwise than by descent, then child born overseas may not be British.

Dear Aaron

The only reason we have that the child will be stateless if he born in UAE as I cant pass the citizenship being granted as British Citizen by Decent and the law in UK was not clear for me till I got the answer from this discussion..

In UAE its impossible to get nationality through the mother or by birth - so we don't want to end up with big problem we cant solve it with the new baby.

I read on article please correct if its wrong :

Children, who are born in the UK on or after 21 May 2002, or in a qualifying territory, will always be British citizens otherwise than by descent if, when the child is born, one of the parents is:
• a British citizen (it does not matter whether the parent is a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent); or
• settled in the United Kingdom; or
• Settled in a qualifying territory. Settled means you are usually resident there without being restricted, under the immigration laws, as to how long you can stay there

for us the cost of privet medical is not headache as far the baby will get the British Citizen Passport direct without any steps to follow such as registration and etc..

Hope to get the positive feedback always...

Thank you

Waleed01 wrote:I read on article please correct if its wrong :

Children, who are born in the UK on or after 21 May 2002, or in a qualifying territory, will always be British citizens otherwise than by descent if, when the child is born, one of the parents is:
• a British citizen (it does not matter whether the parent is a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent); or
...

Hope to get the positive feedback always...

Thank you

You have not said where the article is from and the date of the article quoted.

Anyway you need not have worried that your move abroad was going to turn into an expensive mistake for your child.

The forum FAQS are always a good place to start:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1343774

And the MN1 guidance is also very clear - that's all you need:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... r_2015.pdf
- chapter 2, page 6

Children, who are born in the UK on or after 21 May 2002, or in a qualifying territory, will always be British citizens otherwise than by descent if, when the child is born, one of the parents is:
• a British citizen (it does not matter whether the parent is a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent); or
• settled in the United Kingdom; or
• Settled in a qualifying territory. Settled means you are usually resident there without being restricted, under the immigration laws, as to how long you can stay there

This is correct

Being born in the UK has its advantages.

Dear All

I know this repeated story but some information needed to be update on my quotation

I born in UAE Dubai and I hold British citizen passport by descent with registration certificate under section 4B been qualified from my British overseas citizen passport.

Earlier - Since I born in Dubai I was having the British overseas citizen this was from my parents (both are born in Aden Yemen colony) who were having British overseas citizen since that time, as well as my grandfather who was having the British passport.

My parents also got the qualified to British citizen registration certificate and hold British citizen passports currently, however all of us are under the same section which is 4B as described by descent.

I live in Dubai as it’s my main home and working here as well with my wife.

My wife is none British national and we are excepting to have new born baby soon and we have contacted the British embassy for inquiry regarding the child passport they advised that being British citizen by descent does not have the ability to transmit the nationality and issue passport to my children if they born in Dubai and the child will end up with stateless in UAE (my wife can’t transmit her nationality as per her country law),

However if my wife give the birth and to be born in UK and my name is mentioned and indicated in the birth certificate of the child the baby is entitled for the passport automatically.

Is this information is correct ? is the current British citizen nationality I have is sufficient to transmit it to my baby if born in UK and issue the passport immediately or must see the previous category of my British nationality which was oversees citizen and build some requirements and decision on.

If I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport.

We are very worried about the states of our baby and we need proper gaudiness as might be some information we are not aware about it and get surprised when we reach UK.


Thank you and hope to hear from you soon

M.

Waleed01 wrote:However if my wife give the birth and to be born in UK and my name is mentioned and indicated in the birth certificate of the child the baby is entitled for the passport automatically.

Is this information is correct ?

Yes.

Dear Vinny

Thank you

What about my concerns regarding the:

Must see the previous category of my British nationality which was oversees citizen and build some requirements and decision on.

And

I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport issuance.

I gave full information on my category I wish if someone with similar case or expert give me a gaudiness

Thanks

Dear All

I know this repeated story but some information needed to be update on my quotation

I born in UAE Dubai and I hold British citizen passport by descent with registration certificate under section 4B been qualified from my British overseas citizen passport.

Earlier - Since I born in Dubai I was having the British overseas citizen this was from my parents (both are born in Aden Yemen colony) who were having British overseas citizen since that time, as well as my grandfather who was having the British passport.

My parents also got the qualified to British citizen registration certificate and hold British citizen passports currently, however all of us are under the same section which is 4B as described by descent.

I live in Dubai as it’s my main home and working here as well with my wife.

My wife is none British national and we are excepting to have new born baby soon and we have contacted the British embassy for inquiry regarding the child passport they advised that being British citizen by descent does not have the ability to transmit the nationality and issue passport to my children if they born in Dubai and the child will end up with stateless in UAE (my wife can’t transmit her nationality as per her country law),

However if my wife give the birth and to be born in UK and my name is mentioned and indicated in the birth certificate of the child the baby is entitled for the passport automatically.

Is this information is correct ? is the current British citizen nationality I have is sufficient to transmit it to my baby if born in UK and issue the passport immediately or must see the previous category of my British nationality which was oversees citizen and build some requirements and decision on.

I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport.

We are very worried about the states of our baby and we need proper gaudiness as might be some information we are not aware about it and get surprised when we reach UK.


Thank you and hope to hear from you soon