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Citizenship application - A Few Questions

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:22 pm
by jamEnergy
Trying to apply for citizenship, but I'm stuck... I don't have my P60s from the last 10 years lol.

I've worked for a single employer over the last 6 years - what exactly should I ask them to write? The guide says confirm start/end date, but what does that have to do with NI?

And why is this 10 years? Shouldn't it be 5 years?

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"1.48- 1.50 You must provide details of all your National Insurance contributions made
for your current and previous employment during the past 10 years. To support this
claim evidence can be in the form of payslips, P60s covering the relevant period, or a
letter(s) from the employer(s) confirming you have worked for them, from the start
and finish date. "

from

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... e_2016.pdf

Re: Citizenship application - evidence of 10 years of NI?

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:37 pm
by LilyLalilu
I think it has to do with the good character requirements, to check that applicants have not been working illegally within the last 10 years (which would then lead to a refusal of their application).
10 years if you been in the UK for that long or if not since your arrival in the UK.
Ask HMRC for an work history/NI contribution list if you cannot find your P60s.

Re: Citizenship application - evidence of 10 years of NI?

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:38 pm
by alterhase58
The 10-year requirement is specific to BC application so there's little we can do about it....

The reason why you can supply employers' letters is that by confirming they employed you for the period in question they have also confirmed compliance with employment regulation, including deducting tax and NI and paying over same to HMRC. So in your case get as many letters from the companies you worked for. The letters should be like a "reference" showing your name, job dates from-to as a minimum. Larger companies shouldn't have a problem with this and be able to provide quickly.

If you still have gaps and there are no other documents available then explain why, give as many details as you can. Remember on the form you also provide your NI number and the tax office reference.

In my case it was easy as I have been with my company well in excess of 10 years so only one letter was required, didn't include P60s.

Re: Citizenship application - evidence of 10 years of NI?

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:29 pm
by jamEnergy
Thank you so much for your helpful and timely responses.

This 6 year job is my only serious job.

I did 2 other bits of work in retail when I was a teenager... but that does fall within 10 years. Do you think it's important for me to contact them? I think I worked with each company for a month or two at most...

Perhaps I should ask HMRC for a log of NI contributions dating back 10 years as suggested? Is that a thing that they would really print out for me?

Re: Citizenship application - evidence of 10 years of NI?

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:02 pm
by LilyLalilu
Yes, very easy to obtain. You can request one online (https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/NIStatement) and it usually comes through within a few weeks.

Need 5 years proof of residency: passport only 3 years old

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:03 am
by jamEnergy
I've been here for ages, but I can't seem to find my old passport.

The guides suggest that a letter from my current employer would do.

What exactly should it say? Does anyone have a sample/template?

Does this actually work?

thanks

Re: Need 5 years proof of residency: passport only 3 years o

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:01 pm
by alterhase58
jamEnergy wrote:I've been here for ages, but I can't seem to find my old passport.

The guides suggest that a letter from my current employer would do.

What exactly should it say? Does anyone have a sample/template?

Does this actually work?

thanks
I am happy to share my employer letter which I submitted to cover employment record for the 10 years (personal details deleted). I don't know whether this is ok to cover missing expired passport. I have had no feedback on my application since the biometrics request.

Example of employer letter (reference style):

Re: Employee Name: xxxxxx
Staff No: xxxxx
Thank you for your request for a reference in respect of the above named employee of our company.
It is our policy to confine such references to confirmation of certain factual data concerning the individuals Contract of Employment with us. It is hoped you will understand that this does not imply any adverse reflection on the employee’s conduct or performance.
For your assistance we confirm the following:
CURRENT JOB TITLE: xxxxxxx Manager
PERIOD OF EMPLOYMENT: xxx xxxxxx xxx to date [or date left]
The above is given in the strictest confidence and with no liability accepted by the Company or its employees.
Yours sincerely
For xxxxxxxx Ltd.
Signed Xxxxxxx
HR Person

Re: Citizenship application - A Few Questions

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:54 pm
by jamEnergy
Has this actually worked for anyone in the past?

Letter for proof of residency

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:48 am
by jamEnergy
Is there a report of someone using P60s/letters from schools/unis/employers to count as proof of residency?

Does it work?

£1200 is a large amount of money to throw away otherwise.

Re: Letter for proof of residency

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:59 am
by noajthan
jamEnergy wrote:Is there a report of someone using P60s/letters from schools/unis/employers to count as proof of residency?

Does it work?

£1200 is a large amount of money to throw away otherwise.
Of course it works.
EEA applicants do it all the time to prove residency as they do not have passport stamps.

If risk-averse and unsure of quality of application and accompanying evidence, simply apply via NCS and put only the NCS fee on the line (rather than full AN fee).

Re: Citizenship application - A Few Questions

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:28 pm
by ohara
I used P60's to prove residency as above, EEA citizens don't get passport stamps in the EU

Re: Citizenship application - A Few Questions

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:20 pm
by jamEnergy
Thanks guys

alterhase58 - had you lost a passport? Did you report to the police?

Re: Citizenship application - A Few Questions

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:23 pm
by alterhase58
jamEnergy wrote: alterhase58 - had you lost a passport? Did you report to the police?
No - the letter was to support the employment section, but could also support your residency.
I certainly would report loss of PP.

Re: Citizenship application - A Few Questions

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:52 am
by vinny
The UK Police are not making reports of lost property anymore.