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School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:41 am
by Meesha
Dear All,
My kids school(all under 7 years olds) kept citizenship registration forms for 10 days at school and refused to provide reference at end (open discrimination obviously). GP has already said that they don't do it. From where can i get it signed now? I have made an appointment in other city for tomorrow as joint citizenship and passport service does not operate in every city in scotland.
Please advise me quickly
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:58 am
by CR001
Oh get a grip, it is NOT discrimination. Any referee you ask has a right to refuse to sign the form.
Try a Pharmacist, personal license holder (off license owner), nurse or health visitor, dentist, etc.
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:22 am
by vinny
Any qualified neighbours?
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:27 am
by Chinho2k
Or minister of religion....
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:32 am
by vinny
6.3.7.8 wrote:For a minor application one referee should be a person who has engaged with the child in a professional capacity, such as a doctor, teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion. The other referee must be the holder of a British citizen passport, and either a professional person or over the age of 25.
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:15 am
by mrajkumar
we are also in similar situation. the school refused to sign saying as per PP guidelines they should have known the kid for 2 years or more. 'my kid has joined the school only recently from another school as we moved our house from a different council.
It is a JCAP application, for naturalization - the guide doesn't say the referee in professional capacity should know the kid of atleast 2 years but Passport guide says so.
My kid's tution teacher also says she is not sure she can sign it as she know him only for few months, but happy to sign if we want her to.
Please advise. we have our appointment this Saturday.
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:43 pm
by mrajkumar
Dear CR001/Vinny,
Can anyone please confirm if a Tuition teacher(who works in different school) can sign as referee for child passport and naturalization application. the teacher has known the kid only for couple of months.
vinny wrote:Any qualified neighbours?
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:07 pm
by Meesha
Hi mrajkumar,
The first reference for my kids is NHS director where i work. As i did not understand the meaning of two referees not related to each other thats why i did not get it signed by NHS staff rather asked their GP who refused. School also refused though my kids are at school for 3 years. I did call immigration department to know alternative referee but they say one has to be someone who knows kid in professional capacity which can be either teacher, GP, health visitor or social worker.However on citizen advise bureau call, local council email and immigration officer email the school agreed to sign but sealed the form to be opened by national checking service. It took whole day but got sorted by the end of the day.
Hope it will help.
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:40 pm
by Meesha
I believe for JCAP you don't need countersignature as they will consider the same referee from registration form. Photos for passport has to be same as provided with registration form. Call to your JCAP provider to confirm though.
mrajkumar wrote:we are also in similar situation. the school refused to sign saying as per PP guidelines they should have known the kid for 2 years or more. 'my kid has joined the school only recently from another school as we moved our house from a different council.
It is a JCAP application, for naturalization - the guide doesn't say the referee in professional capacity should know the kid of atleast 2 years but Passport guide says so.
My kid's tution teacher also says she is not sure she can sign it as she know him only for few months, but happy to sign if we want her to.
Please advise. we have our appointment this Saturday.
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:12 pm
by mrajkumar
Thanks Meesha! I will call NCS to confirm.
Meesha wrote:I believe for JCAP you don't need countersignature as they will consider the same referee from registration form. Photos for passport has to be same as provided with registration form. Call to your JCAP provider to confirm though.
mrajkumar wrote:we are also in similar situation. the school refused to sign saying as per PP guidelines they should have known the kid for 2 years or more. 'my kid has joined the school only recently from another school as we moved our house from a different council.
It is a JCAP application, for naturalization - the guide doesn't say the referee in professional capacity should know the kid of atleast 2 years but Passport guide says so.
My kid's tution teacher also says she is not sure she can sign it as she know him only for few months, but happy to sign if we want her to.
Please advise. we have our appointment this Saturday.
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:27 am
by Meesha
Hi mrajkumar,
i have attended JCAP. you dont need to complete section 10 of passport application. You must not put telephone numbers in section 2 but in section 8. I had to fill new forms there. Take extra paper copies for passports application. You also dont need certified photo as described in passport application. They will consider the one on MN1 form. Rest is straight forward and took only 30 min.
Good luck
Re: School and doctor refuse to provide reference for kids
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:03 am
by mrajkumar
Thanks, the NCS officer said, it should be fine if the child professional referee in not known for 3 years and HO are not very strict on the child references I believe.
Meesha wrote:Hi mrajkumar,
i have attended JCAP. you dont need to complete section 10 of passport application. You must not put telephone numbers in section 2 but in section 8. I had to fill new forms there. Take extra paper copies for passports application. You also dont need certified photo as described in passport application. They will consider the one on MN1 form. Rest is straight forward and took only 30 min.
Good luck