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PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:34 am
by gabioliver
Hi ,
Hope someone can help me with some info .I've been living in the uk for the last 10 years.My Romanian passport expires this year and i have 2 options,renew or apply for British Citizenship .I have a blue card obtained in 2009 .I'm married to a British national ,we have a little girl , we own our housed we both work and have been this entire time.I got a speeding ticked in 2012 or 2013 (can't remember
) ,payed the fine and went on the awareness course so i don't get any points on my licence.A couple of weeks ago i got a fine for being drunk and disorderly that i payed straight away
.I know it's bad so please don't judge ,it never happened before and i should've known better.Now my problem is applying for citizenship .Would this affect my application ?If my application is refused do they refund the £1200 ? Any advice would be much appreciated. Many Thanks
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:41 am
by rely1458
It may affect your application, I believe discretion is applied by the caseworker. A more experienced member may advise you better.
As for the fees, unfortunately they won't refund you any money should tell application be refused.
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:04 pm
by gabioliver
Thank you so much for your reply .It's strange that they keep the money if they make a discretionary decision to refuse even if i state the truth .Maybe not worth the risk then since i can live and have the same rights as a British national minus the passport .
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:29 pm
by bruteforce
gabioliver wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:34 am
A couple of weeks ago i got a fine for being drunk and disorderly that i payed straight away
Who issued the fine?
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:50 pm
by gabioliver
the police
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:41 pm
by bruteforce
Penalty notices for disorders (PND's) issued by Police should not result in a refusal. According to
this, it is not a record able offence.
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:48 pm
by gabioliver
Thank you very much .It is my understanding that since this is the only one since my speeding ticket 6 years ago it wouldn't be classed as a pattern of bad character.I'll give the HO a call on monday and see what they say.Many thanks again for taking the time .
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:25 pm
by jimquk
I wouldn't waste your time calling the Home Office. Whoever answers the phone will not be able to give you definitive guidance, and many people have been misled or have misunderstood whatever was said over the phone. If it's not in writing it's worthless.
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:26 pm
by jimquk
I wouldn't waste your time calling the Home Office. Whoever answers the phone will not be able to give you definitive guidance, and many people have been misled or have misunderstood whatever was said over the phone. If it's not in writing it's worthless.
Re: PND and application for citizenship
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:54 pm
by baddy
gabioliver wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:34 am
Hi ,
Hope someone can help me with some info .I've been living in the uk for the last 10 years.My Romanian passport expires this year and i have 2 options,renew or apply for British Citizenship .I have a blue card obtained in 2009 .I'm married to a British national ,we have a little girl , we own our housed we both work and have been this entire time.I got a speeding ticked in 2012 or 2013 (can't remember
) ,payed the fine and went on the awareness course so i don't get any points on my licence.A couple of weeks ago i got a fine for being drunk and disorderly that i payed straight away
.I know it's bad so please don't judge ,it never happened before and i should've known better.Now my problem is applying for citizenship .Would this affect my application ?If my application is refused do they refund the £1200 ? Any advice would be much appreciated. Many Thanks
Make sure you explain these two incidents on your form. If you dont declare them, you run the risk of refusal.
citizenship refused on grounds of residence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:04 am
by gabioliver
Hi everyone,ive just received my documents from the HO alongside a rejection reason letter.Apparently my blue card is not certifying permanent residency.What else can i do?Please help
Re: citizenship refused on grounds of residence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:09 am
by CR001
If your blue card, which appears you got in 2009, does not specifically state it is a Document Certifying Permanent Residence and only states it is a Residence Card, then you did not qualify to apply for citizenship. You must have proof of PR first.
Re: citizenship refused on grounds of residence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:14 am
by gabioliver
When can apply again after PR?I provided p60 for the last 7 years ,council tax, bills .I'm married to a british national.I would of thought all these other factors are taken in consideration as proof of residency.Many thanks for your help.
Re: citizenship refused on grounds of residence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:28 am
by CR001
The requirement since 12 November 2015 is that an EU citizen can only apply for Citizenship if they hold a Document Certifying Permanent Residence. This is required, regardless of your residence and marriage to a British citizen.
You will need to apply for PR first before you can apply for citizenship again.
What exactly does your blue card say??
Re: citizenship refused on grounds of residence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:42 am
by gabioliver
Re: citizenship refused on grounds of residence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:46 am
by CR001
So its only a Residence Card.
Apply for a DCPR and then apply for citizenship again once you have that.