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Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:06 pm
by Shah_123
Hi All,
Just joined few days ago but used to follow this website. I must say very useful forum. I have query about travel. I have applied naturlization after one year into ILR (was on 5 year refugee status). I have applied last month and got biometrics done on 2/05/19.
I have blue convention travel document and want travel to Europe next month and in mid july as well. My solicitor saying i should not travel whilst awiating naturlization/BC. Is that a fair advice? Any thoughts? Does this affect my naturlization application duration.(can they see at airport from reference No on ILR card that ive applied naturlization and should not travel etc).
Many Thanks
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:12 pm
by alterhase58
Shah_123 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 11:06 pm
Hi All,
Just joined few days ago but used to follow this website. I must say very useful forum. I have query about travel. I have applied naturlization after one year into ILR (was on 5 year refugee status). I have applied last month and got biometrics done on 2/05/19.
I have blue convention travel document and want travel to Europe next month and in mid july as well. My solicitor saying i should not travel whilst awiating naturlization/BC. Is that a fair advice? Any thoughts? Does this affect my naturlization application duration.(can they see at airport from reference No on ILR card that ive applied naturlization and should not travel etc).
Many Thanks
You are free to travel,using your current documents - not sure why your solicitor told you otherwise. Just be aware that UKVI could still contact you for queries or further documents. No one can see your application status.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:22 am
by zimba
Your solicitor is wrong. You are free to travel as normal.
A BC application is
NOT an immigration application so unlike a usual immigration/residence application, it will not withdrawn if you leave the UK. Maybe he is mixing the two up
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:37 am
by Shah_123
Thank you alterhase and zimba for clarifying it. I thought the same but do not want to take any risk so thought to aak here.
How long should i wait to see if UKV1 can contact me for morw documents? I had biometrics and documents scanned through new system on 02/05/019 in birmingham. Also, whats rough duration of getting BC application approved these days if you applied after 1 year into ILR + 5 year refugee status( serving as a doctor this whole time and no criminal offence).
I know 2 more questions in reply but will much appreciate your guidance guys.
Many Tnx
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:33 pm
by hermanthegerman
There are some timeline threads on the forum. Times vary widely, however the home office says they will let you know within 8 weeks if it will take them longer than that and most people appear to have a decision within 8 weeks or a little more.
Even if they ask you for documents you are unlikely to have to reply immediately if you are away so unless you are going for months I would not worry too much.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:59 pm
by Shah_123
hermanthegerman wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:33 pm
There are some timeline threads on the forum. Times vary widely, however the home office says they will let you know within 8 weeks if it will take them longer than that and most people appear to have a decision within 8 weeks or a little more.
Even if they ask you for documents you are unlikely to have to reply immediately if you are away so unless you are going for months I would not worry too much.
Thank you hermanthegerman. Much appreciated
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:04 am
by Esen
Hi there,
I applied for my bc this month and asked the lady who was submitting my documents this question and her answer was - no you should not travel while your application is under process. If you must it is best to inform the home office and take their advice on a case to case basis. She said she heard of a lady who had left for India and was stopped when she tried to get back to England and was denied entry for 2 years.
As helpful as this forum is unless a person has done it and has experience I wouldn’t take it as gospel. No offence to anyone as it would seem logical if you have your passport and BRP returned then you can travel. But it isn’t all black and white.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:09 am
by CR001
Esen wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:04 am
Hi there,
I applied for my bc this month and asked the lady who was submitting my documents this question and her answer was - no you should not travel while your application is under process. If you must it is best to inform the home office and take their advice on a case to case basis. She said she heard of a lady who had left for India and was stopped when she tried to get back to England and was denied entry for 2 years.
As helpful as this forum is unless a person has done it and has experience I wouldn’t take it as gospel. No offence to anyone as it would seem logical if you have your passport and BRP returned then you can travel. But it isn’t all black and white.
The no travelling only applies to applications for visas or ILR under the UK immigration rules. It does not apply to British citizenship under the UK nationality laws.
Note also that the sopra staff are not immigration advisors or HO staff, they are only a facilitation agent.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 6:35 am
by hermanthegerman
I have travelled to Austria and Germany while my application was being processed with no problems at all.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 1:15 pm
by Nerazzuri
Like hermanthegerman, I too travelled multiple times.
The only thing to take precautions about when you travel is if you are away for more than 2 weeks in a single trip. This is because it is possible for the Home Office to send you a letter and ask you to respond within 2 weeks. If you miss that letter while you are away, you application may get rejected.
So if you travel for more than 2 weeks, you could make sure someone else can get your mail during that period and let you know if there's a letter from Home Office.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 1:16 pm
by zimba
Esen wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:04 am
Hi there,
I applied for my bc this month and asked the lady who was submitting my documents this question and her answer was - no you should not travel while your application is under process. If you must it is best to inform the home office and take their advice on a case to case basis. She said she heard of a lady who had left for India and was stopped when she tried to get back to England and was denied entry for 2 years.
As helpful as this forum is unless a person has done it and has experience I wouldn’t take it as gospel. No offence to anyone as it would seem logical if you have your passport and BRP returned then you can travel. But it isn’t all black and white.
That advice as I explained above only applies to non-EU applicants applying for
immigration based applications where the
immigration act applies. UKVCAS processes immigration applications most of the time.
Nationality application is however
NOT an immigration application and is covered by nationality law (not immigration act or rules). I suggest not to seek advice from people who know very little on these matters like the UKVCAS staff
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 10:45 pm
by Esen
Good to see people have experience of travelling while awaiting naturalisation and have had no problems.
Nothing more need be said.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 11:21 pm
by Shah_123
Nerazzuri wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:15 pm
Like hermanthegerman, I too travelled multiple times.
The only thing to take precautions about when you travel is if you are away for more than 2 weeks in a single trip. This is because it is possible for the Home Office to send you a letter and ask you to respond within 2 weeks. If you miss that letter while you are away, you application may get rejected.
So if you travel for more than 2 weeks, you could make sure someone else can get your mail during that period and let you know if there's a letter from Home Office.
My BC application is non EU. I have blue refugee convention travel document and i only want to travel Europe at the moment. Would you recommend it given that you did travel multiple times. I just got bit cautious now after whats been said above :-/
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 12:30 am
by Nerazzuri
Shah_123 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:21 pm
Nerazzuri wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:15 pm
Like hermanthegerman, I too travelled multiple times.
The only thing to take precautions about when you travel is if you are away for more than 2 weeks in a single trip. This is because it is possible for the Home Office to send you a letter and ask you to respond within 2 weeks. If you miss that letter while you are away, you application may get rejected.
So if you travel for more than 2 weeks, you could make sure someone else can get your mail during that period and let you know if there's a letter from Home Office.
My BC application is non EU. I have blue refugee convention travel document and i only want to travel Europe at the moment. Would you recommend it given that you did travel multiple times. I just got bit cautious now after whats been said above :-/
As multiple people have said so far, there is no requirement for you to be in the UK during the processing, unlike immigration applications. So long as you are not away so long that you miss mail from the Home Office and fail to respond to them in time, then you can travel as you please.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:57 pm
by Shah_123
Thanks alot guys. You guys are very helpful. Time to pack bag and get going lol.
Seriously appreciate all logical replies.
Do we need visa on blue convention travel document to travel to europe? They have changed TD last year. Previously it used to stay which country you can travel( i been to spain, sitzerland and greece without Visa but that was 3 years ago).
Regards
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 2:26 am
by zimba
Depends. Each country has its own visa rules an may or may not allow entry with Blue passport but most EU countries do allow visa free visit.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 3:56 pm
by Springie
Zimba wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:26 am
... but most EU countries do allow visa free visit.
Not quite right there, Zimba, sorry.
I travelled to (or wanted to travel to) various EU countries while on a TD and it looked like this: Finland and Fermany didn't ask for a visa; France, Italy, Cyprus and Czechia wanted a visa. It varies A LOT and the only possible recommendation is to enquire directly with the embassy or consulate of the EU country. Some of them will have the answer on their websites in the FAQ sections and some won't have any info (email those).
Examples:
Germany (under Holders of British Passports/Travel Documents):
https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa/do-you-need-a-visa
Italy:
https://conslondra.esteri.it/consolato_ ... ument.html
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:56 pm
by Shah_123
Springie wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 3:56 pm
Zimba wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:26 am
... but most EU countries do allow visa free visit.
Not quite right there, Zimba, sorry.
I travelled to (or wanted to travel to) various EU countries while on a TD and it looked like this: Finland and Fermany didn't ask for a visa;
France, Italy, Cyprus and Czechia wanted a visa. It varies
A LOT and the only possible recommendation is to enquire directly with the embassy or consulate of the EU country. Some of them will have the answer on their websites in the FAQ sections and some won't have any info (email those).
Examples:
Germany (under Holders of British Passports/Travel Documents):
https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa/do-you-need-a-visa
Italy:
https://conslondra.esteri.it/consolato_ ... ument.html
Sometimes theres ambiguity. I called france embassy and explained the situation and asked if i can travel through euro train etc. He said you dont need visa on TD to travel to france.
What would you follow in such scenario? A website print out saying no Visa required or would you follow embassy guy over phone?
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:59 pm
by Springie
I'd follow the rule I had in writing, so definitely not guy over the phone.
Requirements change over time too. Some years ago, Czechia didn't need a visa, then they went and added the requirement.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:36 pm
by Shah_123
Springie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:59 pm
I'd follow the rule I had in writing, so definitely not guy over the phone.
Requirements change over time too. Some years ago, Czechia didn't need a visa, then they went and added the requirement.
Thnx Springie. I am planning trip to France. I emailed them and they were very propmt with response. They confirm no need of visa if take valid blue convention travel document pluse residence permit. They need to see these two as a proof of permanent residence.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:44 am
by CULLINAN
Shah_123 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:36 pm
Springie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:59 pm
I'd follow the rule I had in writing, so definitely not guy over the phone.
Requirements change over time too. Some years ago, Czechia didn't need a visa, then they went and added the requirement.
Thnx Springie. I am planning trip to France. I emailed them and they were very propmt with response. They confirm no need of visa if take valid blue convention travel document pluse residence permit. They need to see these two as a proof of permanent residence.
You can travel to France on a blue TD.
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:10 am
by Shah_123
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What about germany? Do you beed visa on refugee blue convention travel document? I have a course to attend.
Thnx
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:04 am
by Alseraj
I travelled to Germany many times by blue travel document without any visa
Re: Travelling on travel document whilst awaiting naturlization
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:40 am
by Shah_123
Alseraj wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:04 am
I travelled to Germany many times by blue travel document without any visa
I am looking at Croatia holidays. Can i travel on blue convention travel document without visa to Croatia or Portugal? I have emailed croatia embassy but no reply yet.
Regards
