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Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:50 pm
by sonirules
Dear Members,

I have recently received my Indefinite leave to remain. However, my son was born in Jan 2019 ( before I received my ILR).

I need to apply for his MN1 form and finding it difficult to understand what date should I mention in this question

Child has indefinite leave to enter/remain in the UK. Date granted:

As he was born 1 month before we applied for OLD he just has UK birth certificate. So wondering what date to mention As he doesn't have any biometric card.

Would also appreciate any suggestion regarding the same.

Thanks
Soni

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:18 pm
by zimba
His MN1 entitlement is based on the date of birth.

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:38 pm
by sonirules
Zimba wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:18 pm
His MN1 entitlement is based on the date of birth.
Thanks Simba. So just to clarify his date when leave to enter or remain was granted will be his date of birth?

Just to clarify he was born when I was under entrepreneur visa and 1 month after birth I applied for ILR.

Thanks
Soni

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:18 am
by sonirules
What travel or national identity document should I provide as he was born in the UK and has birth certificate only and no other document.

Thanks
Soni

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:25 pm
by zimba
sonirules wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:18 am
What travel or national identity document should I provide as he was born in the UK and has birth certificate only and no other document.

Thanks
Soni
Nothing. There is no need to provide travel documents. I repeat he is entitled to register without a passport/valid visa/BRP/etc. His date of birth is his date of birth :?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:38 pm
by sonirules
Can my son's swimming instructor support his professional reference?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:11 pm
by CR001
sonirules wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:38 pm
Can my son's swimming instructor support his professional reference?
Is the profession on the list of approved professional referees?? Is the person a qualified whatever or just someone who teaches swimming?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:55 pm
by sonirules
She is a qualified swimming instructor. I am not sure if that's there in the list. Please can you provide me with the link?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:20 am
by zimba
I am afraid he cannot be a professional referee.

https://www.gov.im/media/624353/listofreferees.pdf

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:48 pm
by sonirules
My gp practise said they do not provide letters or reference for home office and they cannot provide reason for denial letter as well...only thing they can provide is confirmation of registration with the practice...Will that do?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:05 pm
by CR001
sonirules wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:48 pm
My gp practise said they do not provide letters or reference for home office and they cannot provide reason for denial letter as well...only thing they can provide is confirmation of registration with the practice...Will that do?
No it will not be sufficient.

You will need to find someone else. Pharmacist, religious minister, health visitor, etc.

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:20 pm
by sonirules
Well all said no...and said they cannot provide rejection letter or reference as well....

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:13 am
by CULLINAN
sonirules wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:20 pm
Well all said no...and said they cannot provide rejection letter or reference as well....
Your son is few months old. HO is not strict when it comes to young babies referees. It is a known fact that GPs, health visitors and teachers dont provide one in majority cases. Just do what best you can provide. Add in a cover letter that you tried but GP and health visitor denied. Given the age of your son I dont think HO will be fussy.
If I was you I would add 3 British Citizen referees even if none knew the child in professional capacity.

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:45 am
by sonirules
Thanks for all your responses. My friend is a pharmacist...he might provide professional reference

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:53 am
by sonirules
what should my country of nationality be in his MN1 form as he was born in the UK to Indian parents?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:40 pm
by zimba
sonirules wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:53 am
what should my country of nationality be in his MN1 form as he was born in the UK to Indian parents?
Children acquire parents' nationality at birth

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:50 pm
by sonirules
So the document checklist is asking for document to prove Indian nationality....which we don't have. So what document support do we provide? Parents passport?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:21 pm
by zimba
No. Online list is not always accurate. Did you answer that you can provide a passport for the child ??!
I repeat again, MN1 for a child born in the UK to a settled parent is an entitlement. So there is no need to prove the child nationality

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:09 pm
by sonirules
No I have not mentioned I can provide indian passport. I have just mentioned his nationality.

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:27 pm
by zimba
sonirules wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:09 pm
No I have not mentioned I can provide indian passport. I have just mentioned his nationality.
That is fine. Ignore the list as such document is not required for UK born children

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:34 pm
by sonirules
Another thing in document checklist which they asked me to tick

If mr xxx told us that their parent is a British citizen then you must provide us evidence of their citizenship. This could include their British passport, a certificate of citizenship or their birth certificate.

I am checking the form and no way I said I am British citizen. What to do?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:44 pm
by CULLINAN
sonirules wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:34 pm
Another thing in document checklist which they asked me to tick

If mr xxx told us that their parent is a British citizen then you must provide us evidence of their citizenship. This could include their British passport, a certificate of citizenship or their birth certificate.

I am checking the form and no way I said I am British citizen. What to do?
It says “IF”

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:58 pm
by Dryasser
Zimba wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:20 am
I am afraid he cannot be a professional referee.

https://www.gov.im/media/624353/listofreferees.pdf
Thanks Zimba,

Doctors (Physicians) are not on this list as well ?

Does that mean they can not be professional referees ?

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:01 pm
by zimba
Technically that list is professionals who can act as referees for adult applicants and doctors are not acceptable as professional referees.
However the policy for child applicants is slightly different:
For child applicants at least one of the referees must be a person who has dealt with
the child in a professional role such as a teacher, doctor, health visitor or social
worker
. Where a child cannot provide a referee who has dealt with them in a
professional capacity and has provided documents to show that they have attempted
to do so, you can accept 2 referees who meet the criteria for referees on adult
applications.
This means doctors will be accepted as professional referees for a child application

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... y-guidance

Re: Child's British citizenship query

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:05 pm
by sonirules
Thanks. His pharmacist agreed to provide reference