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AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:54 pm
by basht
Hello, we are a family of 3, the child was born outside the UK.
Our immigration history is the following:
2015 Tier 2 for the husband, Tier 2 dependant for wife and child.
2018 Tier 2 extension for the husband, Tier 2 dependant extension for wife and child.
2021 ILR for them all using 5-year route
Now (2022) Applying for citizenship
As far as I understand both me and my wife can naturalise, and our child can be registered if at least one of us is naturalised. Correct?
I (the husband) am filling in naturalisation form online on
https://visas-immigration.service.gov.uk/ and I am confused about 2 things.
1) On my daughter's form there is a question: "I would still like my child (as stated in this application) to be registered as a British citizen even if my own application for British citizenship is refused" (Yes/No). As far as I understand, she needs at least one of us, her parents, to get naturalised. If I answer "Yes", do I higher her chances, as she gets approved if my wife gets approved but not me? Or do I lower her chances, as her application is considered separately and thus refused?
2) I expected the questions in the form for my wife to be the same as for me, but they are somewhat different. Is it because it's implied that she applies as a dependant? Should she apply separately to get her application considered independently of mine?
Best regards, basht
Re: AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:52 pm
by mesn
basht wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:54 pm
Hello, we are a family of 3, the child was born outside the UK.
Our immigration history is the following:
2015 Tier 2 for the husband, Tier 2 dependant for wife and child.
2018 Tier 2 extension for the husband, Tier 2 dependant extension for wife and child.
2021 ILR for them all using 5-year route
Now (2022) Applying for citizenship
As far as I understand both me and my wife can naturalise, and our child can be registered if at least one of us is naturalised. Correct?
I (the husband) am filling in naturalisation form online on
https://visas-immigration.service.gov.uk/ and I am confused about 2 things.
1) On my daughter's form there is a question: "I would still like my child (as stated in this application) to be registered as a British citizen even if my own application for British citizenship is refused" (Yes/No). As far as I understand, she needs at least one of us, her parents, to get naturalised. If I answer "Yes", do I higher her chances, as she gets approved if my wife gets approved but not me? Or do I lower her chances, as her application is considered separately and thus refused?
2) I expected the questions in the form for my wife to be the same as for me, but they are somewhat different. Is it because it's implied that she applies as a dependant? Should she apply separately to get her application considered independently of mine?
Best regards, basht
For Naturalization, everyone becomes eligible on their own. So, doesn't matter if all 3 apply together or 2 & 1. I was in a similar situation. I applied mine separate and Wife & kid together. This helps get an earlier slot as some of the centers only have single person appointments [not sure why].
Also, there was a note in the form if you want your kid to get the Naturalization irrespective of your decision. So, honestly, I think you don't impact her decision.
Re: AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:56 pm
by basht
Thank you
> For Naturalization, everyone becomes eligible on their own.
And even in the situations where a child or a spouse only becomes eligible if a parent or another spouse gets it, is it still irrelevant whether they apply together or separately?
Also, what do you think about the questions for my spouse being different? They are not largely different, but e.g. they ask about passport details in a different way. I'm worried they'll consider them sequentially as they would think of her application as of depending on the decision on mine.
Re: AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:26 pm
by CR001
There is no concept of "dependent" for citizenship applications. Each person applying must meet the requirements individually, regardless of how they apply.
Re: AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:44 pm
by basht
But sometimes an application may only be approved upon approval of another application, but they still can be submitted simultaneously, isn't it? E.g. for a child born abroad. Or perhaps for a spouse who has been in the UK for 3 but not for 5 years? By submitting them as a whole online, do I set any relation like this between the applications? Or does in not matter whether to apply together or separately?
The thing that confuses me is that for the first adult in the application and for the second one (spouse) the questions are a bit different. E.g. for the second I have "Which identity document will you supply?" while for the first one they ask for a passport straight away.
Re: AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:58 pm
by CR001
But sometimes an application may only be approved upon approval of another application, but they still can be submitted simultaneously, isn't it? E.g. for a child born abroad. Or perhaps for a spouse who has been in the UK for 3 but not for 5 years? By submitting them as a whole online, do I set any relation like this between the applications? Or does in not matter whether to apply together or separately?
Each application is processed individually. You could be refused but your spouse and child approved or the other way round. It makes absolutely no difference whether you apply together or separately. Each applicant must meet the requirements on their own merits and bot you and your spouse will be considered based on 5 years residence. If an adult applicant is only resident for 3 years without marriage to a British spouse, the person wouldn't qualify anyway.
The thing that confuses me is that for the first adult in the application and for the second one (spouse) the questions are a bit different. E.g. for the second I have "Which identity document will you supply?" while for the first one they ask for a passport straight away.
You are overthinking this completely. Simply fill in the form as asked.
Re: AN + MN1 for a family of 3 been here for 6 yrs all having ILR: apply separately or together?
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:08 pm
by basht
> Each application is processed individually.
> Each applicant must meet the requirements on their own merits
Great, thanks for explanation. That makes sense to me for adults AN applications, but for a child's MN1 application, I hope, they can process a parent first, and that's what the following question for?
> "I would still like my child (as stated in this application) to be registered as a British citizen even if my own application for British citizenship is refused" (Yes/No)