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naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:25 pm
by papazaitsa
Hi all, have a question, what do I enter into [Tax office reference number] field if I've started being self-empoyed this tax year and no Tax self assessment has been submitted yet
Thank you
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:01 pm
by sathyauk
This should be your payee reference number. You can find this number in your payslips or ask your accountant
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:43 pm
by Deryck
You should have received Unique Taxpayer Reference number when you registered as self-employed. If you don’t have it, call HMRC helpline.
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:03 am
by sathyauk
Its not your UTRN, it is your payee reference number which you can see in your payslips, p45, p69
In payslips somewhere in the bottom you can "PAYEE Reference" and format will
111/ab11111
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:20 am
by Deryck
OP said they’re self-employed. They don’t have PAYE reference. It’s the UTR you need to put in there if you’re self-employed.
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:26 am
by sathyauk
@Deryck - I am self employed, my accountant generates payslips every month, I have UTRN as well.
I got my citizenship recently. Definitely its not your UTRN, It's a payee reference number.
When I filled my application, I gave my PAYEE Number not UTRN
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:05 pm
by Deryck
sathyauk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:26 am
@Deryck - I am self employed, my accountant generates payslips every month, I have UTRN as well.
I got my citizenship recently. Definitely its not your UTRN, It's a payee reference number.
When I filled my application, I gave my PAYEE Number not UTRN
Are you sure you’re self-employed? Sometimes people run a one person company as if they’re self-employed. If you’re actually self-employed you cannot employ yourself. You can employ other people hence you can register for PAYE for this purpose but it would only be used to pay your staff. You can’t claim your “salary” as expenses in relation to your self-employment and it sounds like your accountant might be doing that.
It appears that HO checked your PAYE reference and accepted it however for tax purposes it is incorrect to use it for your “salary”.
With all due respect, your advice is wrong. I strongly suggest you talk to a different accountant or just call HMRC self assessment helpline.
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:36 pm
by papazaitsa
@Deryck thanks so much!
Re: naturalization while self-employed
Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 7:57 am
by rfkhan
sathyauk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:26 am
@Deryck - I am self employed, my accountant generates payslips every month, I have UTRN as well.
I got my citizenship recently. Definitely its not your UTRN, It's a payee reference number.
When I filled my application, I gave my PAYEE Number not UTRN
Hi Sathyauk,
Did you tick Self-employed in the employment details section?
Regards,