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Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:46 pm
by hoangong
Hi, I recently applied passport for my child and it was rejected. I wonder why it was rejected. My situation is that:
1. I got ILR early 2021
2. My child was born December 2021
3. I got my UK Citizenship in 2022
4. January 2024 I applied first passport for my child but it rejected. In the application I sent my child birth certificate as document. I'm not sure if it is sufficient, but I believe that is the only required document.
I received an generic email saying that "From the information available it would appear that xxx is not a British national"
From what I learned from
https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citize ... 21-onwards I do'nt understand why it was rejected. does anyone know why?
If your parents were not British, Irish, EU or EEA citizens when you were born
You’re a British citizen automatically if when you were born at least one of your parents was living in the UK and had any of the following:
indefinite leave to remain (ILR)
right to re-admission
right of abode
You’re also a British citizen automatically if at least one of your parents was in the UK armed forces and you were born after 12 January 2010.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:53 pm
by CR001
In the application I sent my child birth certificate as document. I'm not sure if it is sufficient, but I believe that is the only required document.
Did you send proof of your ILR BRP? That is mandatory as it is the ILR BRP, if the child was born in the UK after you got ILR, that determines if the child is automatically British. If the child was born abroad, the child is not British.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:59 pm
by hoangong
No I didn't send any proof of my ILR BRP as I don't have it any more. when I became uk citizen, I cut BRP half and sent it back.
I thought their system should have it by checking my current UK passport.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:01 pm
by CR001
hoangong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:59 pm
No I didn't send any proof of my ILR BRP as I don't have it any more. when I became uk citizen, I cut BRP half and sent it back.
I thought their system should have it by checking my current UK passport.
It is YOUR responsibility to submit the evidence to prove the child is British. It is not HMPO (separate to UKVI) to run around and find your documents.
Your UK Passport is irrelevant to the child's claim to citizenship. Their proof of being British is being born after you got ILR and you needing the BRP to prove it. A UK Passport it just a travel document.
Do you have a copy of the ILR BRP?
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:03 pm
by hoangong
Thank you for the information. as I said above, I don't have BRP any more. Is there alternative way to proof that, rather than sending original ILR BRP?
Yes I have a copy (photo in my phone). doyou think that is ok?
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:25 pm
by hoangong
CR001 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:01 pm
hoangong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:59 pm
No I didn't send any proof of my ILR BRP as I don't have it any more. when I became uk citizen, I cut BRP half and sent it back.
I thought their system should have it by checking my current UK passport.
It is YOUR responsibility to submit the evidence to prove the child is British. It is not HMPO (separate to UKVI) to run around and find your documents.
Your UK Passport is irrelevant to the child's claim to citizenship. Their proof of being British is being born after you got ILR and you needing the BRP to prove it. A UK Passport it just a travel document.
Do you have a copy of the ILR BRP?
I think I found the same case here
british-citizenship/applying-for-child- ... 19253.html they also mentioned that sending copy BRP also be rejected. there is no solution in that thread.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:48 pm
by alterhase58
In the last post of the thread there was a suggestion to send HMPO the letter that approved the ILR.
Do you still have the letter (or email) that gave you the ILR approval?
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:08 pm
by hoangong
alterhase58 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:48 pm
In the last post of the thread there was a suggestion to send HMPO the letter that approved the ILR.
Do you still have the letter (or email) that gave you the ILR approval?
Yes, I still have an email with my name in there and ref application saying that my ILR application was successful.
The problem is that my child passport application was just rejected. should I apply again with printed this email or somehow could I contact them to provide more document?
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:15 pm
by contorted_svy
If your application was rejected and you received the documents back, I think you need to apply again and supply the ILR letter.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:17 pm
by alterhase58
I suggest you contact the Passport Helpline -
https://www.gov.uk/passport-advice-line
Ask to speak to a senior manager because the people answering the calls are not necessarily familiar with ILR and may fob you off.
Raise a complaint on their website - even if they say they'll look into it. You need to create a complaint record on their system.
I suspect you probably have to apply again because originally you didn't provide everything - though it's unfair that they didn't even give you a chance to explain yourself.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:21 pm
by hoangong
alterhase58 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:17 pm
I suggest you contact the Passport Helpline -
https://www.gov.uk/passport-advice-line
Ask to speak to a senior manager because the people answering the calls are not necessarily familiar with ILR and may fob you off.
Raise a complaint on their website - even if they say they'll look into it. You need to create a complaint record on their system.
I suspect you probably have to apply again because originally you didn't provide everything - though it's unfair that they didn't even give you a chance to explain yourself.
Thank you both. I will try to talk to them first to confirm that that email is good enough to prove my ILR and then I will apply again.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:39 pm
by contorted_svy
Keep in mind that the advisors that answer the phone may not have all the information or even work on passport applications at all - ask to speak to a manager and still treat the information you receive with a grain of salt, applicants often receive confusing or inaccurate information unfortunately.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:13 pm
by hoangong
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:39 pm
Keep in mind that the advisors that answer the phone may not have all the information or even work on passport applications at all - ask to speak to a manager and still treat the information you receive with a grain of salt, applicants often receive confusing or inaccurate information unfortunately.
Thanks for the info. The thing I really want to confirm over the phone is printing off the ILR approval email is enough to prove my ILR status at the time my kid was born.
I saw a few thread suggested to try that but noone confirmed it will actually work.
If not, they may suggest a better way. That may save me a few week to wait and hope
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:56 am
by AmazonianX
hoangong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:13 pm
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:39 pm
Keep in mind that the advisors that answer the phone may not have all the information or even work on passport applications at all - ask to speak to a manager and still treat the information you receive with a grain of salt, applicants often receive confusing or inaccurate information unfortunately.
Thanks for the info. The thing I really want to confirm over the phone is printing off the ILR approval email is enough to prove my ILR status at the time my kid was born.
I saw a few thread suggested to try that but noone confirmed it will actually work.
If not, they may suggest a better way. That may save me a few week to wait and hope
Do that, and call again (hoping you get to speak with a different manager) to see if you do get a consistent response to your enquiry even from senior managers.
Repeated message for on this forum for members to keep their ILR BRPs for situation like this.
Hoping the new system of showing status to be rolled out becomes advantageous for cases like OP's
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:42 am
by contorted_svy
hoangong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:13 pm
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:39 pm
Keep in mind that the advisors that answer the phone may not have all the information or even work on passport applications at all - ask to speak to a manager and still treat the information you receive with a grain of salt, applicants often receive confusing or inaccurate information unfortunately.
Thanks for the info. The thing I really want to confirm over the phone is printing off the ILR approval email is enough to prove my ILR status at the time my kid was born.
I saw a few thread suggested to try that but noone confirmed it will actually work.
If not, they may suggest a better way. That may save me a few week to wait and hope
See the advice you get, reapply and report back on the outcome - you are far from the only one to be in this situation.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:33 pm
by hoangong
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:42 am
hoangong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:13 pm
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:39 pm
Keep in mind that the advisors that answer the phone may not have all the information or even work on passport applications at all - ask to speak to a manager and still treat the information you receive with a grain of salt, applicants often receive confusing or inaccurate information unfortunately.
Thanks for the info. The thing I really want to confirm over the phone is printing off the ILR approval email is enough to prove my ILR status at the time my kid was born.
I saw a few thread suggested to try that but noone confirmed it will actually work.
If not, they may suggest a better way. That may save me a few week to wait and hope
See the advice you get, reapply and report back on the outcome - you are far from the only one to be in this situation.
A quick update my situation. They told me that approval email/letter or photo of ILR BRP will not be valid. I will need to submit a subject access request (SAR). Once I have that, I can provide as a proof my ILR BRP for the passport application. I believe this is a link to submit it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... mmigration
I will do that and update further when I have more information.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:38 pm
by AmazonianX
hoangong wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:33 pm
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:42 am
hoangong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:13 pm
contorted_svy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:39 pm
Keep in mind that the advisors that answer the phone may not have all the information or even work on passport applications at all - ask to speak to a manager and still treat the information you receive with a grain of salt, applicants often receive confusing or inaccurate information unfortunately.
Thanks for the info. The thing I really want to confirm over the phone is printing off the ILR approval email is enough to prove my ILR status at the time my kid was born.
I saw a few thread suggested to try that but noone confirmed it will actually work.
If not, they may suggest a better way. That may save me a few week to wait and hope
See the advice you get, reapply and report back on the outcome - you are far from the only one to be in this situation.
A quick update my situation. They told me that approval email/letter or photo of ILR BRP will not be valid. I will need to submit a subject access request (SAR). Once I have that, I can provide as a proof my ILR BRP for the passport application. I believe this is a link to submit it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... mmigration
Yes that is the link.
I will do that and update further when I have more information.
Re: Child first passport rejected. Parent got ILR (before child was born) and becomed Bristish citizenship
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:08 pm
by vinny