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Hello,

I hope you are well .

I have been trying to prove my EU mother was settled in the UK prior my birth , when she came to the UK in the 1980s. However, due to no contact for 20 years now due to abuse, I cannot obtain her documents.

I have after 6 months, finally managed to gather a fully comprehensive SAR of my birth in the UK, life , academic and medical history to prove I lived in the UK from 0-10 years old (or the whole of my life in my case).

My fully detailed SAR' s of the above , fully cover every year in detail.

I am only worried that Form T states it requires me to send my 0-10years old passport, but that is nearly 40 years ago. Due to estrangement from my birth mother this is not possible to obtain, and the embassy she registered me at for 0-10 years old said they cannot give me any information of my details from 0-10years either. The embassy said it could even be destroyed due to length of time when I called them. Is the 0-10years old passport I had needed to submit ? If so how can I submit something I don't have, or could be even destroyed by the embassy's policies?

This whole predicament has been on going for nearly 1.5 years, and it has taken a huge toll on me.

Thank you so much for any advice.

When exactly were you born?

Reading Form T guidance I found the following https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... #documents

Documents
This section tells you the sort of documents you will need to send for. You must send:

your/your child’s full UK birth certificate (showing the parents’ details).

evidence of residence in the UK for the first 10 years of your/your child’s life. If you are self-employed and do not pay tax through Pay As You Earn (PAYE) arrangements, we require your most recent H.M. Revenue & Customs Self- Assessment statement of account.

your/your child’s passport(s) which cover the 10-year period. As the passport(s) may not be enough to show residence in the UK throughout the 10-year period, you should send as much as you can of the following:

letters from schools or other educational establishments which you/your child attended during that period

medical records (child health book, summary of appointments from your/your child’s GP, nursery records) particularly where these assist in demonstrating residence in the years before attending school

any other documents showing that you/your child lived in the United Kingdom for the first 10 years of your/their life.

You have a SAR to cover the last requirement. It is not entirely clear if you MUST send the passport (which in your case wouldn't prove residence, being a EU passport) or if in your case the requirement for your passport could be waived if you present a SAR and explain that you have made all possible efforts to retrieve your childhood passport and the embassy has said they can't supply it. Other members may have additional insight into this - I would suggest discussing your case with a solicitor and see if it is possible to present it favourably.

My 2 siblings and I applied this way in March. My sister was approved 2 weeks ago and my brother and I are awaiting approval. We had a hard time in the past (applied 4 times since 2004) as they were not satisfied with the proof. It is nigh-on impossible to get this evidence at this point.

This time, I obtained proof that I couldn't obtain the proof, if that makes sense, and wrote a long personal statement.

I would suggest you get it in writing where the embassy say they can't help you. Write a letter explaining the situation with your mother and send in your other evidence. My siblings and I never had a passport to begin with, so didn't send one. It's not a problem at all.

It's been a little while since I filled oiut the form, but one of the questions is to send your pasport and if not, explain why not. There are options. We chose "I was born in the UK and never had a foreign passport" or something like that. There's another question a little later in the same section that asks for more info. I would explain it here. Make sure you definitely send evidence that your mother's country can't help.

MissSencho wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:52 am

My 2 siblings and I applied this way in March. My sister was approved 2 weeks ago and my brother and I are awaiting approval. We had a hard time in the past (applied 4 times since 2004) as they were not satisfied with the proof. It is nigh-on impossible to get this evidence at this point.

This time, I obtained proof that I couldn't obtain the proof, if that makes sense, and wrote a long personal statement.

I would suggest you get it in writing where the embassy say they can't help you. Write a letter explaining the situation with your mother and send in your other evidence. My siblings and I never had a passport to begin with, so didn't send one. It's not a problem at all.

It's been a little while since I filled oiut the form, but one of the questions is to send your pasport and if not, explain why not. There are options. We chose "I was born in the UK and never had a foreign passport" or something like that. There's another question a little later in the same section that asks for more info. I would explain it here. Make sure you definitely send evidence that your mother's country can't help.

Thank you for sharing your experience towards helping g others.

MissSencho wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:52 am

My 2 siblings and I applied this way in March. My sister was approved 2 weeks ago and my brother and I are awaiting approval. We had a hard time in the past (applied 4 times since 2004) as they were not satisfied with the proof. It is nigh-on impossible to get this evidence at this point.

This time, I obtained proof that I couldn't obtain the proof, if that makes sense, and wrote a long personal statement.

I would suggest you get it in writing where the embassy say they can't help you. Write a letter explaining the situation with your mother and send in your other evidence. My siblings and I never had a passport to begin with, so didn't send one. It's not a problem at all.

It's been a little while since I filled oiut the form, but one of the questions is to send your pasport and if not, explain why not. There are options. We chose "I was born in the UK and never had a foreign passport" or something like that. There's another question a little later in the same section that asks for more info. I would explain it here. Make sure you definitely send evidence that your mother's country can't help.

Thank you for sharing, this seems to align with my interpretation. Hope you and your brother get your approval soon.

AmazonianX wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:09 am

Thank you for sharing your experience towards helping g others.

contorted_svy wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:35 am

Thank you for sharing, this seems to align with my interpretation. Hope you and your brother get your approval soon.

Thank you both!

Just to give a little update here, our applications were just approved. Took 3 months. So, as long as you can get that evidence, or effectively explain the situation, you should have no issues.

Congratulations. If you could elaborate a bit more on your situation, and what did you submit, i am.sure It Will help other members.

Thank you so much. No problem at all on elaborating.

As I previously mentioned, we had applied the first time in 2004, when the fee was £150. The reason for that refusal, and subsequent ones, was they did not believe that we provided enough proof about residence in the early years.

For context, I was born in January 1983, my sister in 1984 and my brother in 1986. We only had solid evidenc from 1989.

We had a private doctor who would come to our house. He died in the early 90s and we couldn't access any notes he may have had. Another issue was that the nursery we went to had changed hands several times.
Babies don't tend to leave too much of a footprint and this was the issue.

My strategy this time was to bombard them with evidence. I I had contacted the hospital I was born in, as I had surgery there when I was an infant. They wrote back and said that they do not keep records over 25 years.
There was another nursery that we briefly attended. I contacted them to ask them if they could find the records. It would have been from 1988 or before. A nice lady wrote back and told me that they didn't keep records of pupils before 1989. Something similar like this with the doctor.

We searched for our medical (NHS) records but nothing prior to 2006 appeared.

I then found our old neighbour and also a friend of the family. We asked them to write statements confirming our residency for the early years.

In the end, my application consisted of the following documents:

-Table of Contents
-Personal statement - explaining everything in detail. I believe it was about 4 pages long.
-Letter of support from neighbour
-Letter of support from family friend
-Email attachment from the nursery
-Email attachment from the nursery
-Email attachment from the doctor's relative (that I found through an acnestry site)
-A document I created with photos of us every year from 1983-1990. They were obviously in England.
-Letters from all our schools from 1989 until 1993/1996.
-British birth certificate

I hope this can help someone in the future.