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Hi,
My friend is applying for his ILR along with with her wife in Nov.His wife has done her graduation from India and they have applied for Naric comparability letter as well.She has got letter from her college for medium of instruction in standard format.They have endorsed medium of education at the end(i.e its hand written as 'B.Sc in English medium)The letter itself on college letter head bearing all the stamps and college principle sign .My question ;is hand written endorsement ok be supplied as evidence ?

Thanks

Param

It should be, subject to the degree being comparable to a UK degree.

D4109125 wrote:It should be, subject to the degree being comparable to a UK degree.

Thanks Mate

they have applied for Naric comparability letter as well.

I hope you mean this one
http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Individuals/C ... sment.aspx

and not this
http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Individuals/C ... ility.aspx


Also is a letter from the institute in India mandatory?

John353 that is incorrect information you are giving, what is important is the NARIC statement of comparability not the English Language Assessment.

Apologies if I have conveyed the wrong info..but happy to be corrected.

But I am trying to understand how statement of comparability proves that the degree is taught in English. Please let know.

He has applied for degree compatibility not English level comparison.

Param

Thanks for the reply.

But again from the quote provided, statement of comparability only says the degree's comparable level in the UK and not on the medium of instruction.

English assessment confirms the medium of instruction but not on UK comparable level. It would appear now that both these statements are required:-)

Hope I am not adding to the confusion!

I believe a statement of comparability with a letter from the institution stating the medium of instruction.

Please check the below link and particularly page number 9.
UKBA has different guides in different places. The things that are mentioned in the guides are not mentioned in the rules..creating more confusion

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... icants.pdf


copying the information from page 9 of the above link:

[b]I have a degree/PhD but it is not included on the points based calculator.
Will you still accept it as evidence I meet the English requirement?
We can only accept Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees and PhDs that are
recognised by UK NARIC.
If your Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD is recognised by UK NARIC
please submit evidence of your qualification as indicated above.
If you cannot find your Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD on the pointsbased calculator, you may still be able to use it to meet the English
requirement. In these circumstances you should contact UK NARIC directly
for an assessment of the level of the qualification and, if UK NARIC confirms it
is of the required level, obtain a letter and/or confirmation certificate from UK
NARIC. You can find a link to the UK NARIC website below. It is an
independent website, for which we are not responsible. It may charge a fee for
confirming qualifications. http://www.naric.org.uk/
You can then supply this statement of compatibility from UK NARIC with your
application. However if UK NARIC cannot confirm the equivalence of your
qualification you will not be able to use it to meet the new English language [/b]
requirement.

Yep they have applied for statement of compatibility from UK NARIC and they have letter from college to satisfy 1st part of KOLL requirement.

Degrees taught in English
Those who have obtained a degree taught in English will not be required to show a formal speaking and listening qualification.
Those with an academic qualification (not a professional or vocational qualification) who provide appropriate evidence that the qualification was taught or researched in English are considered automatically to meet the English language component of the KoLL requirement and will not be required to show a formal speaking and listening qualification. The qualification must be deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK. However, they will still be required to pass the Life in the UK test to demonstrate their knowledge of life in the UK.

Hi amber, Params

From the above quote, it looks like UK NARIC comparability statement and appropriate evidence is required. It is not explicitly stated what that appropriate evidence is. I do hope letter from institute on medium of instruction is sufficient, but is there a way to confirm if this is acceptable for UKBA.

In my case, my wife (dependent) has a bachelor and master degree (B.commerce/M.commerce) which is listed in PBS calculator and awards points, but if you try to get points for english it shows zero points. But it was definitely taught in English and we are fairly confident that NARIC will approve this for the english comparability. Only confusion now is if the appropriate evidence is a letter from the institute or direct NARIC english assessment service.

Comments appreciated.

john353 wrote:degree (B.commerce/M.commerce) which is listed in PBS calculator and awards points, but if you try to get points for English it shows zero points

John I am in the same boat ; degree on PBC but no point but I am not eligible to apply for ILR till Jan 2015.Any way I am planning to get the
statement of compatibility from UK NARIC and letter from college. Also if you read this :-

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... hip/kol-uk

it says :-

Degrees taught in English
Those who have obtained a degree taught in English will not be required to show a formal speaking and listening qualification.
Those with an academic qualification (not a professional or vocational qualification) who provide appropriate evidence that the qualification was taught or researched in English are considered automatically to meet the English language component of the KoLL requirement and will not be required to show a formal speaking and listening qualification. The qualification must be deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK. However, they will still be required to pass the Life in the UK test to demonstrate their knowledge of life in the UK.

So Naric compatibility and letter from college/uni should suffice.

Latest update from UKBA website:

“APPENDIX KOLL
PART 1. GENERAL
1.1
Purpose
This Appendix sets out the way in which an applicant for leave to enter or remain must demonstrate sufficient knowledge of the English language and about life in the United Kingdom where it is a requirement of the Rules to demonstrate this for the purposes of an application for indefinite leave to enter or remain. It also sets out general exemptions to the requirement on grounds of age and enables the decision maker to waive the requirement in light of special circumstances in any particular case.
“Specified” in this Appendix means “specified in Part 4 of this appendix”

PART 2 - KNOWLEDGE OF LANGUAGE AND LIFE

2.1 An applicant for leave to enter or remain has sufficient knowledge of the English language and about life in the United Kingdom for the purpose of an application for indefinite leave to enter or remain made under these Rules if the requirements set out in paragraphs 2.2 and 2.3 are met unless the exceptions set out in Part 3 apply.

2.2 For the purposes of paragraph 2.1, an applicant has sufficient knowledge of the English language if:
a) the applicant has provided specified documentary evidence that:

i) the applicant is a national or citizen of one of the following countries:
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Dominica
Grenada
Guyana
Jamaica
New Zealand
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
USA.
or
ii) the applicant has passed an English language test in speaking and

listening at a minimum level B1 of the Common European Framework
of Reference for Languages with a provider approved by the Secretary
of State as specified in Appendix O to these Rules; or

iii) the applicant has obtained an academic qualification(not a professional
or vocational qualification), which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, from an educational establishment in one of the following
countries: Antigua and Barbuda; Australia; The Bahamas; Barbados;
Belize; Dominica; Grenada; Guyana; Ireland; Jamaica; New Zealand;
St Kitts and Nevis; St Lucia; St Vincent and The Grenadines; Trinidad
and Tobago; the UK; the USA; and provides the specified documents;
or

iv) the applicant has obtained an academic qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and
(1) provides the specified documentary evidence to show he has the
qualification, and
(2) UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or
researched in English; or

v) the applicant has obtained an academic qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and provides the specified evidence to show:
(1) he has the qualification, and
(2) that the qualification was taught or researched in English; or

vi) the applicant has taken and passed in England, Wales or Northern
Ireland a qualification in English for Speakers of Other Languages
(ESOL) which:
(aa) includes speaking and listening;
(bb) is at ESOL Entry level 3, level 1, level 2 or level 3,
(cc) is regulated by the Office of Qualifications and Examinations
Regulation (OFQUAL), the Welsh Government or the Council for
Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment (CCEA), and
(dd) is listed as an ESOL qualification on the Register of Regulated
Qualifications, or

vii) the applicant has passed in Scotland a National Qualification in English
for Speakers of Other Languages at Scottish Credit and Qualifications
Framework (SCQF) level 4, 5 or 6 awarded by the Scottish
Qualifications Authority;

I think we are over complicating this issue. If UKBA is happy with NARIC's English Language Assessment based on a overseas degree than it's perfectly fine. Infect it's more objective evidence than getting a statement of comparability and college letter regarding medium of instruction as English.......Both options should be ok but Statement of comparability with college letter on medium of instructions only makes sense if someone wants to claim qualification points AND prove English language skill. If objective is to prove English language skill only then simply get NARIC English Language Assessment.

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Part of the requirement is to have a comparable degree so that would imply a statement of comparability. Hence:

or vocational qualification) which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD

It's my understanding that the English language assessment doesn't prove the degree meets the standard of a UK one, that's the statement of comparability.

Hi
I am going to apply for ILR at end of this November. Recently in august I have passed life in the UK test. I have done MSC degree from Pakistan and already passed A1 TOEIC test before coming here which was a requirement for spouse visa. Now after 28th October there ill be 2 tests life in the UK and B1 CEFR test. And now the thing is that the verification of degree ill take time so it's better to appear in B1 test. And I wanna to know that the the check in process of documents at Manchester and submition of documents for ILR at Sheffield so every person who wants to make these two appointments they must get their appointment at these places or somewhere else as well because I heard that there is also office in Liverpool.

It looks like we have both option available to prove the English level according to following statement :-
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

v)
the applicant has obtained an academic
qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which
is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor
's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and
(1) provides the specified documenta
ry evidence to show he has the
qualification, and
(2) UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or
researched in English; or
v)
the applicant has obtained an academic
qualification (not a professional
or vocational qualification) which
is deemed by UK NARIC to meet
the recognised standard of a Bachelor
's or Master's degree or PhD in
the UK, and provides the specified evidence to show:
(1) he has the qua
lification, and
(2) that the qualification was taught
or researched in English;

So you can prove it by naric comparbility plus certificate from institute
or
naric comparbility plus UK NARIC English level Assessment
or
If the leave was
given on the basis that the applicant
had an English language qualification at a minimum level of B1 on the
Common European Framework of
Reference for Languages (ie which you have already proved on entry clearance )


Thanks
Param

For me the confusion is:

I have B.Engg and M.Engg from Pakistan and have UK NARIC letter of comparability for both of them and also have letter from my Institute that B.Eng is taught in English which I used when first applied for HSMP/Tier-1 under transitional arrangements.

Recently I tried to get UK NARIC English Assessment and they gave me negative result means "The English level is _not_ equivalent of C1 level of CEFR". Now C1 is 2-steps bigger than B1 what new rules are asking and UK NARIC don't give certificate for lower-level than C1 (which I believe no one can get if they studied in Pakistan/India/Or other asian countries).

So now what to do ?

Letter of comparability and letter from university is enough for English level of B1 (I am already in UK under Tier-1 General where I proved my English already).

Can anyone give me some confirmed answer ?

Thanks,

Fawad Lateef

Based on the recent statement of changes announcement, the NARIC statement of comparability with a letter from the institution should suffice, I see no reason why not.

D4109125 wrote:Based on the recent statement of changes announcement, the NARIC statement of comparability with a letter from the institution should suffice, I see no reason why not.

Yep that's one of the option and completely valid.

D4109125 wrote:Based on the recent statement of changes announcement, the NARIC statement of comparability with a letter from the institution should suffice, I see no reason why not.

Thanks for clarification Amber.

The thing is the ESOL exam centre near my home conducts test 2 or 3 times in a year and last date for submitting registration form is 1st week of October and test is in December. So if I miss this registration date of start of October then next test is in June 2014 and I will applying for ILR in March 2014. And fees for test is £120 which I don't have to spend if not necessary to take test.