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T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:41 pm
by Shervar
Hi Experts,
Please need you valuable advice...
My T1 Ent extension granted on 28/08/2019
I had created 4 jobs from (before) August 2019 to till date, but I have furloughed my employees from 21/03/2020 till September 2020.
Now my ILR date eligibility is from 08/08/2020.
As per the covid19 concession can I use multiple jobs across different months.
That is 4 employees 4 jobs * 6 months from (September 2019 to February 2020).
Or do I need to wait another 6 months to make 12 months period for all employees before I apply for ILR
Your expert suggestions and advice please.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:17 am
by CULLINAN
Jobs should exist minimum 12 months. However, the
12 month period you’re required to employ someone for can be made up of multiple jobs across different months.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:00 pm
by Shervar
Hi Cullinan,
Thanks for your reply.
So in my case can I apply now? Or have to wait 12 months
Please clarify me if you don't mind.
Thanks
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:41 pm
by CULLINAN
Shervar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:00 pm
Hi Cullinan,
Thanks for your reply.
So in my case can I apply now? Or have to wait 12 months
Please clarify me if you don't mind.
Thanks
During the 12 month period you can combine different jobs even if 1 Job has not existed for 12 months each. But you can not claim for example: 12 employee’s working for 1 month to make up 12 jobs.
At least this is my understanding. Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:45 am
by Shervar
Thank you for your advice. I am so confused.
Currently I have four employees working from past 12 months but they are furloughed since March. Will it not be possible to show 4 employees for 6 months before pandemic. Please could someone help.
Marcnath, Zimba, cr0 and other senior members please shed some lights.
If I remove them from furlough do I have to wait for another 12 months to apply for ILR.
Please advice
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:52 am
by CULLINAN
These were the old rules where pre-transitional arrangements were allowed. However, rules changed and you need 2 minimum JOBS that have existed for 12 months each.
But, due to corona rules were relaxed, you can combine 2 jobs to make up for a 12 month period even if individual jobs did not exist for 12 months each.
I am not sure if you can combine 2 jobs that existed for 6 months only simultaneously to make up 1 full time job equivalent that existed for 12 months period.
You need 6 more months.
But I would like to hear Zimba or Marcnath’s opinion on the above also.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:59 am
by CULLINAN
Corona rule:
You no longer need to employ at least 2 people for 12 consecutive months. The 12 month period you’re required to employ someone for can be made up of multiple jobs across different months.
Time when your employees were furloughed will not count towards the 12 month period.
If you’ve not been able to employ staff for 12 months by the time your visa expires, you’ll be allowed to temporarily extend your stay to give you time to meet the requirement.
No doubt its confusing. Not entirely sure if the 12 months period could be made up of different jobs that existed simultaneously also or not? For example, if 4 jobs existed for 6 months only simultaneously, would that be equivalent to 2 full time jobs that existed 12 months each?
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:01 pm
by Shervar
Thanks Cullinan, for the reply but I'm still confused with the answer, where can I find exact answer for this query?
Please marcnath, Zimba, cr01, and other experts shed light on this issue.
Your expert opinion is appreciated.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:03 pm
by Shervar
Is there any HO guidance available?
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:09 pm
by CULLINAN
Shervar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:03 pm
Is there any HO guidance available?
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... _19_visa_g
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:18 pm
by CULLINAN
The corona rule is poorly drafted! So would like to hear other interpretations.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:56 pm
by Shervar
Thank you for contacting the Home Office Coronavirus Immigration Team.
Appendix A, 49 (c) allows applicants to rely on non-consecutive periods of employment and multiple employees, providing that each of the employees are working in the same job role.
However, due to the effects of COVID on applicants, the current concession states - "You no longer need to employ at least 2 people for 12 consecutive months. The 12 month period you’re required to employ someone for can be made up of multiple jobs across different months."
This allows applicants to combine multiple jobs for resident workers to meet the requirements of job creation e.g. Administrator working for 3 months combined with Technician working for 9 months.
Thanks Cullinan for your amazing response,
Is that not same case as mine combining 4 jobs for 6 months.
Or eg it has to be 3 months followed by consecutive 9 months.
Please like to hear opinion from other senior members as well. Thanks
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:03 am
by Shervar
I mean four employees on different jobs for six months.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:08 am
by CULLINAN
Shervar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:03 am
I mean four employees on different jobs for six months.
I believe it has to be a 12 month period, but as I said, I would request if @Zimba or @Marcnath comment further.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 am
by Shervar
Hi Marcnath, Zimba, CR001
Could you please give your suggestion on this query, bit confused.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:54 am
by CULLINAN
You no longer need to employ at least 2 people for 12 consecutive months each. The 12 month period you are required to employ someone for can be made up of multiple jobs across different months.
This is helpful where employees have had to be laid off due to a downturn in business before they completed 12 months employment, as it allows you to rely on for example a receptionist working for 4 months combined with an analyst working for 8 months to equate to one job.
However, there has never been a requirement for 12 consecutive months of employment, as this would penalise Tier 1 Entrepreneurs whose employees resigned. It is permitted to rely on for example the employment of a receptionist who works for 4 months then leaves, then there is a gap whilst a replacement is hired and then another person works as a receptionist for 8 months. It has also always been possible to have multiple employees doing one full time job (for example, several part time waiting staff who together work 30 hours a week).
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:05 am
by CULLINAN
The ambit of this policy is not completely clear. We can state two propositions with reasonable confidence:
(a) Time furloughed will not count towards job creation (2nd paragraph);
(b) There is a possibility of a temporary extension of leave for those who have not met the “2 job” creation requirement (3rd paragraph).
But what is the meaning of the first paragraph? The first sentence indicates that there is no need to employ 2 people for 12 consecutive months each. But in truth the Immigration Rules already allow for this: for example Appendix A para 49(c) permits a job to “count even if it does not last 12 consecutive months (for example it lasts for 6 months in one year and 6 months the following year) provided that it is the same job.” So is this intended to be an introductory summary of the present position, just to put the reader in the right frame of mind, or does it herald a new way of assessing job creation which permits much more mix-and-match than hitherto? The phrase “You no longer need to employ” suggests an active change.
On balance it seems that the requirement at Appendix A para 49(e) is at the centre of the concession. The second sentence states that “multiple jobs” can be relied on “across different months”. So one could read this as a relaxation of the para 49(e) restriction that “Different jobs that have existed for less than 12 months cannot be combined together to make up a 12 month job.” There certainly seems to be no relaxation of the requirement that the job creation have extended into the last grant of leave; nor does there seem to be any change to the requirement that a job last for 30 hours a week before it can count.
Entrepreneurs who entered the route before 6 April 2014 and applied to extend their leave, or for Indefinite leave, before 6 April 2019 could rely on more flexible rules on job creation. Under transitional protection this class of applicant could satisfy the Entrepreneur visa job creation requirement by relying on one worker for 24 months, one worker for six months and one for eighteen months, four workers for six months each. Perhaps the first paragraph of the new concession represents a return to something resembling that more relaxed route. Though it is difficult to see that the very precise terms of the concession could be implied into the rather vague phrase “multiple jobs across different months”.
One thing’s for sure: we haven’t seen the last of the conundrums thrown up when advising Tier 1 Entrepreneurs.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:11 am
by CULLINAN
It is important to note that the Home Office has only released very basic information in regard to the above provisions at present. It is possible that they may later refine the requirements and, in doing so, make them more restrictive. For example, it is possible that the Home Office may later state that the above provisions can only be relied upon where the applicant can demonstrate that the Job Creation requirement would have been met were it not for the impact the Covid-19 crisis had on their business. Accordingly, we would recommend that our clients take any decision over furloughing staff, etc. cautiously.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:13 am
by CULLINAN
All the above quotes are from 3 legal websites. I am sorry but really no one can give you a definite answer since the new concession is ambiguous. You may wish to take legal advice or contact HO.
Re: T1 Ent to ILR covid19 job concession query pls !!
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:40 am
by Nop
Hello there,
I read the new HO guideline version 26.0 on 1 December 2020, page 89 indicated that:
''Time when their employees were furloughed under the UK Government scheme will count towards the 12 month period if they have been paid at least 80% of their normal salary.''
Does it applicable for applying my ILR using the above furloughd time period or it can be used for an extension only? Please advice. Thank you very much.