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Can you share the exact text of the refusal?Vennie001 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:30 pmI have been granted EUSS limited leave to remain as my first son is an Irish Citizen. However, my second son, a non-Eu citizen, has been in the UK since December 2021 and applied to the EUSS. This application has been refused because he was not in the UK before 31st December 2020.
I'm afraid this is correct. The requirements for qualifying as such, according to Annex 1 to Appendix EU, under the definition of 'person with a derivative right to reside', subparagraph d) which addresses the cases of dependents under the age of 18:Vennie001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:01 amYou have applied under the EU Settlement Scheme as a “dependent person with a Derivative right to reside”. However, you are unable to qualify on this basis because a person only has such a right to reside if they were resident in the UK on that basis at 23:00 GMT on 31 December 2020.
According to the first line above d) your son does not meet the criteria.(d) resident for a continuous qualifying period in the UK which began before the specified date and throughout which the following criteria are met:
(i) they are not an exempt person; and
(ii) they are under the age of 18 years (unless they were previously granted limited leave to enter or remain under paragraph EU3 of this Appendix as a person with a derivative right to reside and were under 18 at the date of application for that leave); and
(iii) their primary carer meets the requirements of sub-paragraph (a) or (c) above; and
(iv) the primary carer would in practice be prevented from residing in the UK if the person in fact left the UK for an indefinite period; and
(v) they do not have leave to enter or remain in the UK, unless this:
(aa) was granted under this Appendix; or
(bb) is in effect by virtue of section 3C of the Immigration Act 1971; or
(cc) is leave to enter granted by virtue of having arrived in the UK with an entry clearance in the form of an EU Settlement Scheme Family Permit granted under Appendix EU (Family Permit) to these Rules on the basis they met sub-paragraph (a)(ii) of the definition of ‘specified EEA family permit case’ in Annex 1 to that Appendix; and
(vi) they are not subject to a decision made under regulation 23(6)(b), 24(1), 25(1), 26(3) or 31(1) of the EEA Regulations, unless that decision has been set aside or otherwise no longer has effect
The provision to come to the UK after December 2020, and to be able to apply while on a visitor visa, is for 'joining family member of a relevant sponsor', which only includes spouses, partners, children, and dependent parents of a relevant EU sponsor, or of their spouse or civil partner. According to the definition in same document as above:Vennie001 wrote:He came to the UK with a visitor visa and applied on the basis that in October there was a policy allowing joining family members to enter the UK with a visitor visa and apply to the EUSS. I also may have interpreted this wrongly.
a person who has satisfied the Secretary of State, including by the required evidence of family relationship, that they are (and for the relevant period have been), or (as the case may be) for the relevant period (or at the relevant time) they were:
(a) the spouse or civil partner of a relevant sponsor, and
(i)(aa) the marriage was contracted or the civil partnership was formed before the specified date; or
(bb) the applicant was the durable partner of the relevant sponsor before the specified date (the definition of ‘durable partner’ in this table being met before that date rather than at the date of application), and the partnership remained durable at the specified date; and
(ii)(aa) (unless the applicant relies on meeting condition 1 or condition 3 of paragraph EU11A of this Appendix, or on being a family member who has retained the right of residence by virtue of a relationship with a relevant sponsor) the marriage or civil partnership continues to exist at the date of application; or
(bb) (where the applicant relies on meeting condition 1 of paragraph EU11A of this Appendix) the marriage or civil partnership existed for the relevant period; or
(cc) (where the applicant relies on meeting condition 3 of paragraph EU11A of this Appendix) the marriage or civil partnership existed immediately before the death of the relevant sponsor; or
(b) the specified spouse or civil partner of a Swiss citizen; or
(c) the durable partner of a relevant sponsor, and:
(i) the partnership was formed and was durable before the specified date; and
(ii)(aa) (unless the applicant relies on meeting condition 1 or condition 3 of paragraph EU11A of this Appendix, or on being a family member who has retained the right of residence by virtue of a relationship with a relevant sponsor) the partnership remains durable at the date of application; or
(bb) (where the applicant relies on meeting condition 1 of paragraph EU11A of this Appendix) the partnership remained durable for the relevant period; or
(cc) (where the applicant relies on meeting condition 3 of paragraph EU11A of this Appendix) the partnership remained durable immediately before the death of the relevant sponsor; or
(d) the child or dependent parent of a relevant sponsor, and the family relationship:
(i) existed before the specified date (unless, in the case of a child, the person was born after that date, was adopted after that date in accordance with a relevant adoption decision or after that date became a child within the meaning of that entry in this table on the basis of one of sub-paragraphs (a)(iii) to (a)(xi) of that entry); and
(ii) continues to exist at the date of application (or did so for the period of residence relied upon); or
(e) the child or dependent parent of the spouse or civil partner of a relevant sponsor, as described in sub-paragraph (a) above, and all the family relationships:
(i) existed before the specified date (unless, in the case of a child, the person was born after that date, was adopted after that date in accordance with a relevant adoption decision or after that date became a child within the meaning of that entry in this table on the basis of one of sub-paragraphs (a)(iii) to (a)(xi) of that entry); and
(ii) continue to exist at the date of application (or did so for the period of residence relied upon)
Right. Thanks @secret.simon, that does add some more legal context I was not aware of.secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:20 pm@kamoe, the OP may have misinterpreted this guidance from June 2022, which allowed Zambrano primary carers under certain conditions to regularise their status under the EU Settled Status in a six week period between June and July 2022.