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EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:50 am
by migi
Hi everyone,
I am trying to fill in the online form asking for the EEA family permit. I'm a non Eu citizen and my husband is from Uk. Many years now we both live and work in Italy. We are applying for the family permit in order to visit and spend new year with my husband's family.
The reason I'm writing is that I'm stuck in trying to fill in the online form. I've been writing quite a lot of NAs, but there are some parts of it where they ask for dates and I don't know whether i should leave them blank or else. For instance they are asking about my trips in the past ten years. I've been travelling at least 4 times a year or more. I don't even remember the dates. And it appears to me they shouldn't even ask this. Any advice please? I also tried to ask for the family permit this past July, but we couldn't go through with it. Next to that application it appears one: "refund requested". What is that suppose to mean? Much appreciated if anyone would give us a hand, we're quite confused.
Thanks a lot
Migi

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
I also tried to ask for the family permit this past July, but we couldn't go through with it.
What does this mean?

I do not think travel history has any relevance. You can put "Not Relevant."

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:51 am
by migi
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:
I also tried to ask for the family permit this past July, but we couldn't go through with it.
What does this mean?

I do not think travel history has any relevance. You can put "Not Relevant."
Meaning i changed my mind about going to UK last summer and i didn't complete it. About the travel history i can't put not relevant or NA since the only choices they give you is dates and no space to write anything, should i leave it blank? At this point Im thinking I should explain it at the end of the form the reasons why I wrote NAs or provide no answer, right?

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:35 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
I do not see how dates of travel are at all relevant in any form of decision. I would personally leave it blank and explain in the notes that you left it blank because it is not relevant to any EU Free Movement decision.

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:22 pm
by migi
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I do not see how dates of travel are at all relevant in any form of decision. I would personally leave it blank and explain in the notes that you left it blank because it is not relevant to any EU Free Movement decision.
Thanks a lot for the answer! I was reading in this forum that recently EEA family permits were refused on the claims that there is no proof that the EEA national intends to travel to the UK within 6 months. I thought a letter of intentions from my husband would be enough. Do we have to buy tickets as well? I thought this was not legal. Any thoughts?

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:05 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
A signed letter from the EU citizen saying that they will be travelling should suffice. Note that arrival Border Officers can and do check that the EU citizen is travelling or is already in the UK.

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:00 pm
by migi
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:A signed letter from the EU citizen saying that they will be travelling should suffice. Note that arrival Border Officers can and do check that the EU citizen is travelling or is already in the UK.
Ok, many thanks again! We have decided to postpone our trip and apply for the EEA family permit in january. If successful (fingers crossed), I'll let everyone know

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:25 pm
by 357mag
If you have lived in Italy many years then surely you have an Italian issued family permit by now? Thats all you need to travel anywhere in EU.

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:43 pm
by migi
357mag wrote:If you have lived in Italy many years then surely you have an Italian issued family permit by now? Thats all you need to travel anywhere in EU.
Yes I have a permanent one actually. I can travel anywhere in EU (schengen area), but not in UK and Ireland as far as I know, right?

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:47 pm
by chaoclive
migi wrote:
357mag wrote:If you have lived in Italy many years then surely you have an Italian issued family permit by now? Thats all you need to travel anywhere in EU.
Yes I have a permanent one actually. I can travel anywhere in EU (schengen area), but not in UK and Ireland as far as I know, right?
I think that's right for the UK.

I think that Ireland will honor the PR if it states that it was issued to the family member of an EEA citizen. This is a reply from the Irish Visa Office (visamail@justice.ie) when I emailed them to ask about this: "Non-nationals who are family members of a European Union citizen and holders of a document called “Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen” as referred to in Article 10 of Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004, are not subject to an Irish visa requirement."

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:26 pm
by migi
I think that's right for the UK.

I think that Ireland will honor the PR if it states that it was issued to the family member of an EEA citizen. This is a reply from the Irish Visa Office (visamail@justice.ie) when I emailed them to ask about this: "Non-nationals who are family members of a European Union citizen and holders of a document called “Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen” as referred to in Article 10 of Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004, are not subject to an Irish visa requirement."[/quote]

That's fantastic news! I'd love to go to Ireland too! Thanks a lot for sharing this!

Re: EEA online form very confusing

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:10 pm
by chaoclive
migi wrote:That's fantastic news! I'd love to go to Ireland too! Thanks a lot for sharing this!
You might want to make sure that your PR card specifically states that it is issued to the family member of an EEA citizen. I'd also advise you to email them on the address I gave you above, just to make sure nothing has changed. I received that answer in September.

Good luck