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Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:55 am
by Noetic
Saw this in the Times today, behind the pay wall but expecting the story to be picked up by other outlets soon. Basically HO have been trialling an online simplified PR form to cope with all the applications in the next few years.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ ... -5qxtd00z7

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:10 am
by secret.simon
Worth also seeing this article on the Register about the complexities of Brexit and processing a fair few paper applications for PR.

The full text of the Times article linked to above
An online system to process permanent residence applications more quickly is being secretly tested, it emerged last night.

The pilot programme will provide a less laborious service for the many EU citizens wanting to secure their immigration status in Britain before the country withdraws from the European Union. The online application will replace a paper-based system that involves printing out an 85-page form and sending it to the Home Office by special delivery.

It is being tested for two weeks by a group of about 20 corporate clients, including the accountancy firms Deloitte and PricewaterhouseCoopers, before a public launch by the Home Office later this year.

A government spokesman said: “As part of the on-going Home Office programme to digitise applications, we have launched a number of online options.

“We are currently testing an online service which simplifies the process by allowing some EEA [European Economic Area] nationals to submit electronic applications.”

The Home Office processes about 25,000 permanent residence applications from European citizens and their family members each year.

A study released earlier this month by the University of Oxford’s Migration Observatory said that if all European citizens applied for residency it would take 140 years to process the visa forms. Jurga McCluskey, head of immigration at Deloitte, said that the trial demonstrated that the Home Office was “thinking ahead” to its negotiating positions when Article 50 is triggered to start Brexit negotiations.

“If we have EU workers with [secure residence] status, there could be provisions within government policy to protect them in the long term, meaning that free movement laws will continue to influence UK immigration policy for a period of time post-Brexit,” she told the Financial Times.

Ms McCluskey said that “questions will arise” over the status of EU nationals who have not been able to register, however, because they are students or self-employed small business owners.

Julia Onslow-Cole, head of global immigration at PwC, said she believed that the new digital system could help to prevent backlogs of applications and categorise European nationals who were in Britain before new immigration policies were introduced.

Ms Onslow-Cole said one-to-one clinics run by PwC at larger employers had led to immigration advisers being “inundated with requests for meetings”.

One person who was helping to operate the new system said that it was “definitely part of a stocktaking exercise” to assess the numbers of European nationals living and working in Britain.

The source said: “National Insurance numbers are useless and there isn’t any other way of determining how many are here or where they are.”

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:38 am
by ohara
About bloody time too.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:58 am
by gtht
cheers to the government to putting this together. I'm curious how much time it would really save, though. Besides automatically filling in forms I imagine the case officer would still have to inspect the scanned documents, review and verify them.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:05 am
by yellowcat
It seems like good news!
So, should we wait or send the 85 page form now? I have almost filled it in, but since this is coming in the near future, then I will probably wait for the online form, which I hope is simpler and more logical.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:09 am
by gtht
Anytime a government agency says something is coming in the near future, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:15 am
by noajthan
yellowcat wrote:It seems like good news!
So, should we wait or send the 85 page form now? I have almost filled it in, but since this is coming in the near future, then I will probably wait for the online form, which I hope is simpler and more logical.
Current form is not mandatory, shorter simpler forms are available.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:01 pm
by Right
Since they won't accept eletronic evidence, I can't see this being that big of a change. Also, what is with the trial for corporate clients? Sick of fat cats getting priority over me.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:07 pm
by ptstream
I'm not surprised there is confusion about numbers with this peculiar system where people have free entry at border controls with a simple ID card but then a bureaucratic monster awaits if they want to apply for documents. Many people probably didn't bother before brexit, instead non-EEA nationals (family member) are more likely to be registered in the system because they need to apply for a permit and RC to enter and prove right to work.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:21 pm
by secret.simon
gtht wrote: I'm curious how much time it would really save, though. Besides automatically filling in forms I imagine the case officer would still have to inspect the scanned documents, review and verify them.
I have a feeling that the whole exercise is more a data collection exercise than a genuine attempt to help EEA citizens.

Rather than people applying by paper applications and the data being fed into a system, the application will feed directly into a computer system that can be used to generate data on EEA citizens. That can be used during the negotiations.

At the moment, there are no concrete numbers on the numbers of EEA Citizens in the UK because...
ptstream wrote:people have free entry at border controls with a simple ID card.... Many people probably didn't bother before brexit
What Brexit has done is that it has crystallised the situation, so that rather that having ephemeral rights based on relationships and nebulous theories (such as exercising treaty rights), one needs documentary proof of the right to remain in the UK, which can be counted, monitored and if need be, controlled.
Right wrote:Also, what is with the trial for corporate clients? Sick of fat cats getting priority over me.
Money talks. With non-EEA applications under the UK Immigration Rules, it is possible to get premium or even super-premium service for an additional fee (£500 upwards), which provides for same day answers (though that is not guaranteed). But as EU law caps the fees at £65, that facility is not available with EEA applications.

Also, given the uncertainty of Brexit impacting corporate clients, I am not surprised that they have gone for corporate clients first. Once their staff have been ironed out, the companies will feel more secure about planning ahead.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:52 am
by secret.simon
EU nationals: have you recently applied for British citizenship?

Not sure if anybody noticed this article in the Gruaniad. They are looking for EEA citizens who have applied for British naturalisaton in wake of the Brexit referendum to contact them.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:33 am
by noajthan
secret.simon wrote:EU nationals: have you recently applied for British citizenship?

Not sure if anybody noticed this article in the Gruaniad. They are looking for EEA citizens who have applied for British naturalisaton in wake of the Brexit referendum to contact them.
Simon, I see what you did there. Ha ha, very good.

Gruaniad (sic).

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:33 pm
by secret.simon
Too much Private Eye and Yes , Prime Minister.

I had better watch out otherwise I will be reading Country Life and winning GBBO next. ;)

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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:42 pm
by Noetic
secret.simon wrote:EU nationals: have you recently applied for British citizenship?

Not sure if anybody noticed this article in the Gruaniad. They are looking for EEA citizens who have applied for British naturalisaton in wake of the Brexit referendum to contact them.
Interesting, although I am not strictly an EU national and applied beforehand.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:45 am
by Noetic
Looks like this will be going hand in hand with an NCS style local council service https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... rn-service

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:37 am
by yellowcat
Noetic wrote:Looks like this will be going hand in hand with an NCS style local council service https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... rn-service
Hmmm, looks like it is going to be more complicated: first you need to taka a day of work for the appointment, then pay an extra fee and then worry what if a council worker misplaces your documents...Easier to send the paper form perhaps.

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:16 pm
by Noetic
yellowcat wrote:
Noetic wrote:Looks like this will be going hand in hand with an NCS style local council service https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... rn-service
Hmmm, looks like it is going to be more complicated: first you need to taka a day of work for the appointment, then pay an extra fee and then worry what if a council worker misplaces your documents...Easier to send the paper form perhaps.
Not at all - it means you retain your important documents rather than having to trust Royal Mail with a Kilo bundle of important documents.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:57 pm
by ohara
So there are only 10 locations and my closest one is 158 miles away (probably a minimum 2.5 hour drive each way).

Great thinking by the Home Office. Why didn't they just extend NCS to offer this at all local councils...

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:36 am
by Noetic
Likely because just like JCAP initially, this is only just being introduced ohara...

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:25 pm
by Daseca
There's 28 now, so hopefully more LA's will come on stream in the next few weeks. You can also use the Belfast and Glasgow premium service centres too.

Good timing, I was going to send off my EEA QP but was really reluctant to be without my passport for an extended period. Wonder what the fee is likely to be.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:09 pm
by Noetic
Do keep us updated - I certainly know I would have gladly paid £100 to not have to be without important documents for months - including P60s and employment contracts etc. I'm assuming those will also be copied there.

Re: Times article - Simplified online PR form coming

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:34 pm
by twgal