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Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:38 pm
by spikey1992
Hi
If a Russian citizen is granted a Romanian passport, will he have the right to enter the UK under the freedom of movement within the EU or does his passport have to say that he is a Romanian citizen to qualify ?
Im assuming that his new Romanian passport would say Russian citizen not Romanian citizen as he only has the passport not the citizenship. If he tried to enter the UK with this passport showing Russian citizen would he be refused entry on the basis of not being an EU citizen ?
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:42 pm
by CR001
How does the person qualify for a Romanian Passport?
It is usually on citizens of a country that can hold a Passport of that country.
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:50 pm
by silverslingshot
I'm Romanian and I never heard of somebody getting a Romanian passport without having the citizenship.
I don't think this is possible.
I've just looked at my Romanian passport and at point 3 (citizenship) it does say "ROMANA" which is the basically the Romanian citizenship. I know I didn't help you much what I've just wrote. Sorry.
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:48 am
by dan1988uk
This post can have a meaning only if the OP is talking about Romanian ID and not passport. In Italy foreigners living in the country will get an Italian ID that states that it’s NOT valid to travel abroad do not valid to enjoy freedom of movement.
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 am
by spikey1992
I was thinking along the lines that if someone is granted a British passport and their nationality is Turkish, under the nationality section in this passport will say ' Turkish ' as they have the passport but not the nationality and therefore not the EU freedom of movement as they are not an EU citizen. So to re ask my question. Passports are not issued with nationality therefore does the holder have the right to freedom of movement as they are not an EU citezen just a Romanian passport holder
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:12 am
by secret.simon
spikey1992 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 am
I was thinking along the lines that if someone is granted a British passport and their nationality is Turkish, under the nationality section in this passport will say ' Turkish ' as they have the passport but not the nationality
A general rule of thumb is that passports are only issued to nationals of that country. Occasionally they may issue other travel documents (such as convention travel documents, laisser-passers, etc) to citizens of another country, but they will not issue passports unless the person holding the passport is also a citizen of that country.
One could be a citizen of multiple countries and therefore have multiple passports. I recall a case on these forums of a person holding four passports as he was a citizen of four countries. But he was a citizen of all four countries and therefore could carry all four passports with him.
A Turkish would not be issued a British passport unless he naturalised as a British citizen and became a British citizen. Therefore, in his passport, his citizenship would be listed as British.
Similarly, a Russian citizen would only be issued a Romanian passport if he naturalised as a Romanian citizen (i.e. he acquires Romanian citizenship) and therefore his passport would state that his nationality is Romanian.
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:31 am
by Abeythedon
secret.simon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:12 am
spikey1992 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 am
I was thinking along the lines that if someone is granted a British passport and their nationality is Turkish, under the nationality section in this passport will say ' Turkish ' as they have the passport but not the nationality
A general rule of thumb is that passports are only issued to nationals of that country. Occasionally they may issue other travel documents (such as convention travel documents, laisser-passers, etc) to citizens of another country, but they will not issue passports unless the person holding the passport is also a citizen of that country.
One could be a citizen of multiple countries and therefore have multiple passports. I recall a case on these forums of a person holding four passports as he was a citizen of four countries. But he was a citizen of all four countries and therefore could carry all four passports with him.
A Turkish would not be issued a British passport unless he naturalised as a British citizen and became a British citizen. Therefore, in his passport, his citizenship would be listed as British.
Similarly, a Russian citizen would only be issued a Romanian passport if he naturalised as a Romanian citizen (i.e. he acquires Romanian citizenship) and therefore his passport would state that his nationality is Romanian.
well said
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:55 pm
by Mugen
I think author confuses EU passport and USSR passport where you had a line stated nationality(russian, ukrainian, jewish etc.).
Re: Romanian passport and freedom of movement status
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:12 pm
by spikey1992
secret.simon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:12 am
spikey1992 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 am
I was thinking along the lines that if someone is granted a British passport and their nationality is Turkish, under the nationality section in this passport will say ' Turkish ' as they have the passport but not the nationality
A general rule of thumb is that passports are only issued to nationals of that country. Occasionally they may issue other travel documents (such as convention travel documents, laisser-passers, etc) to citizens of another country, but they will not issue passports unless the person holding the passport is also a citizen of that country.
One could be a citizen of multiple countries and therefore have multiple passports. I recall a case on these forums of a person holding four passports as he was a citizen of four countries. But he was a citizen of all four countries and therefore could carry all four passports with him.
A Turkish would not be issued a British passport unless he naturalised as a British citizen and became a British citizen. Therefore, in his passport, his citizenship would be listed as British.
Similarly, a Russian citizen would only be issued a Romanian passport if he naturalised as a Romanian citizen (i.e. he acquires Romanian citizenship) and therefore his passport would state that his nationality is Romanian.
Very good answer thankyou