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Advice needed on indian marriage

Post by siri_uk » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:11 pm

Hi

I have been chatting to a lady from Bangalore for a while and she plans to visit me for christmas, I am a British citizen from birth but want to go to Bangalore to marry this girl of my dreams so she can be around her family at the time she gets married. I am on incapacity benefit/income support/dla and receive housing and council tax benefit as I am at the moment considered unsuitable for work. After our marriage we want to settle in the UK and also bring her 16 year old son to stay with us. I could manage to provide for us all as I have worked out a budget that would be good for us but I am worried that this will not be enough. A marriage that is registered in India could this be registered in the UK also? My mum and dad who do not claim public funds and own their own house and also my brother who is a businessman are prepared to sponser her and provide for her by monetary means if necessary, I really want this to work out as she is my life and I do not want to lose her. Please help I am losing sleep over this

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Advice needed on indian marriage

Post by vinny » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:06 am

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Re: Advice needed on indian marriage

Post by avjones » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:07 am

siri_uk wrote: I am on incapacity benefit/income support/dla and receive housing and council tax benefit as I am at the moment considered unsuitable for work.... O could manage to provide for us all as I have worked out a budget that would be good for us but I am worried that this will not be enough.
When you say, you could provide for all of you, do you mean out of benefits only, or do you have another source of income?
siri_uk wrote: My mum and dad who do not claim public funds and own their own house and also my brother who is a businessman are prepared to sponser her and provide for her by monetary means if necessary.
3rd part support is iffy. Would your wife work?
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Post by siri_uk » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:41 am

Yes it would all be from benefits, I have a small pension but this only amounts to around £12 a week. She wants to work here when she comes she has a good job in bangalore as assistant to managing director. My parents have said they will provide money for us if we need it

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Post by avjones » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:53 am

Then potentially you have problems.

Firstly, the fact that you could support all of you out of the benefits payable only to you isn't relevant - you need to show that you would have the same amount of money available to you as a couple with a 16 year old would have on benefits.

Third party support has recently been ruled out by the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal for spouse visitors.

Also, would your accommodation be big enough? The existing place you have, and have benefit for, would that be enough space for the 3 of you?

It doesn't have to be the UK-based spouse's income. The earning or potential earning of the foreign spouse can be considered, but again it would need to be enough to replace the benefits the UK spouse would not get, as a result of his wife working.

For example, in the case of MK (Adequacy of maintenance – disabled sponsor) Somalia [2007] UKAIT 00028 the Tribunal considered the case of a disabled sponsor and said:

15. That extract fortifies our view that where there is reference in the authorities to income support, that should be taken to include any enhanced income support and other benefits arising, for example, out of any disability. Such enhanced benefit is provided by the state because it is needed. A level of income below that enhanced level, would not be adequate for such an individual with those disabilities.

16. The minimum required by the appellant and her spouse to maintain themselves is the amount paid to the appellant plus the extra amount that would be paid to them as a couple (ie £103 + £32.65 = £135.65). In other words, the sponsor needs all that she receives and the appellant cannot adequately be maintained from the sum presently received by her.

17. If the disability living allowance could have been discounted as not necessary for the sponsor to live on, the appellant could have succeeded because the amount needed for him is £32.65, which is 35p per week less than the Disability Living Allowance.

18. Disability Living Allowance is there to help towards necessary care and necessary extra mobility expenses arising from the disability. It is awarded after the completion of a complex form and an assessment, often including a medical assessment. Even if the sponsor did not use all of it (and it is only £33.00 per week) it has not been demonstrated that she does not have a need for it. For the reasons adumbrated in KA it is inappropriate to disregard that benefit even if the sponsor was claiming to live frugally and not to use it.


The case of AM (Ethiopia) [2007] UKAIT 00058 considered support from a third party (someone other than the husband or wife) and ruled it out, saying:

21. Indeed, the structure and wording of paragraph 281 of the Rules focuses the requirements of the Rules on the two individuals who wish to benefit from them; the spouse or civil partner with rights to be in the UK, and the spouse or civil partner who seeks to join that person. The parties must have met (281(ii), they must intend to live permanently with each other and the marriage must be subsisting (281(iii). The accommodation must be adequate and owned and occupied exclusively by one or other of the parties to the relationship (281(iv). This all points clearly to the need for the two persons involved to satisfy the Rules personally without reference to any third parties. So with maintenance. Paragraph 281(v) in our judgement requires the resources to be those of the parties alone.
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Post by John » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:30 pm

Amanda, you are quite right. I merely add this.

Should the spouse get her visa and move to the UK, and then start working, yes there might be a loss of some of the existing benefits, but there might be the ability to claim Tax Credits. Such a claim would need to be in the joint names of both spouses, but this would not be a claim for Public Funds, in view of reg 3(2) Tax Credits (Immigration) Regulations 2003, as reinforced by rule 6B of the Immigration Rules.

Especially given the disability of the husband, such claim for Tax Credits could result in a nice sum being received.

But this does involve the wife going out to work, and proof that such an employment would be obtained could be a problem.
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Re: Advice needed on indian marriage

Post by olisun » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:32 pm

siri_uk wrote:I have been chatting to a lady from Bangalore for a while
siri_uk wrote:marry this girl of my dreams
siri_uk wrote:bring her 16 year old son to stay with us.
:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Post by archigabe » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:50 am

have you actually met her in person?that will count towards your application being accepted.

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Post by siri_uk » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:12 pm

she is coming over here on the 21st, I am going to visit her and her family in bangalore in april. I know this is way off at the moment but I need to get planning for the spouse visa asap. I have a 3 bedroom house that is council owned me and my son live here so there is a bedroom spare. The money I get is split like this weekly( I hope this isn't against the rules of the forum)

Incapacity Benefit £98.45
Child Benefit £18.10
Child Tax Credit £45.46 (My son is 17 so I get cb & ct for him why he is at college)
Income Support £35.22
DLA £81.60
Pension £12.93

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Re: Advice needed on indian marriage

Post by pinkuk » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:05 pm

olisun wrote:
siri_uk wrote:I have been chatting to a lady from Bangalore for a while
siri_uk wrote:marry this girl of my dreams
siri_uk wrote:bring her 16 year old son to stay with us.
:shock: :shock: :shock:

agreed
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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