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makes it difficult?49. In relation to in-country applications, there are immigration rules that provide eligibility to applicants having a genuine and subsisting relationship with a British citizen child. These broadly complement the protection against removal afforded by s.117B(6) in the context of decisions by courts and tribunals. Paragraph EX.1, which concerns exceptions to certain eligibility requirements for leave to remain as a partner or parent, is predicated, in the same way as is s.117B(6), on it “not being reasonable to expect the [qualifying] child to leave the UK” (EX.1(a) (ii)). Paragraph R-LTRPT.1.1, which concerns requirements for limited leave to remain as a parent, includes a relationship requirement that covers a child who is “a British citizen or settled in the UK” (E-LTRPT.2.2(c), but by E-LTRPT.2.2(b) the child concerned must be “living in the UK”.
50. In relation to entry clearance applications, Section E-ECPT includes a route for parents of a child who is either a British citizen or settled in the UK (E-ECPT.2.2(c)), but (again) the child must be “living in the UK”. The Rules do provide at GEN.1.3(c) that for the purposes of Appendix FM “references to a British citizen in the UK also include a British citizen who is coming to the UK with the applicant as their partner or parent” (emphasis added) but in the case of a British citizen child with an applicant parent the only applicable rules currently are those set out in GEN. 3.1 – GEN. 3.3. under the heading “Exceptional circumstances”. As we have seen, EX.1 does not apply when applicants apply from abroad for entry clearance, even though they have British citizen children in the UK.
51. Although there is no path, therefore, for parents of a British citizen child not living in the UK under the main routes to entry clearance set out in Appendix FM, GEN.3.3.2 does require the decision-maker, in considering whether there are exceptional circumstances giving rise to a breach of Article 8 because such a refusal (including refusal of entry clearance) “would result in unjustifiably harsh consequences for the applicant, their partner, a relevant child or another family member whose Article 8 rights it is evident from that information would be affected by a decision to refuse the application.” (emphasis added). That clearly requires the decision-maker to take into account the impact on any relevant child, although the definition of “relevant child” makes no reference to nationality. We shall come back to this aspect of the Rules later on.
16.In SD (British citizen children - entry clearance) Sri Lanka [2020] UKUT 43(IAC) the Tribunal held (in the context of an entry clearance appeal)
- British citizenship is a relevant factor when assessing the best interests of the child.
- British citizenship includes the opportunities for children to live in the UK, receive free education, have full access to healthcare and welfare provision and participate in the life of their local community as they grow up.
- There is no equivalent to s.117B(6) of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 in any provision of law or policy relating to entry clearance applicants.
- In assessing whether refusal to grant a parent entry clearance to join a partner has unjustifiably harsh consequences, the fact that such a parent has a child living with him or her who has British citizenship is a relevant factor. However, the weight to be accorded to such a factor will depend heavily on the particular circumstances and is not necessarily a powerful factor.
- When assessing the significance to be attached to a parent's child having British citizenship, it will also be relevant to consider whether that child possesses dual nationality and what rights and benefits attach to that other nationality.
Whilst I accept that Section 117B (6) cannot apply directly because it is concerned with removal of those in genuine and subsisting parental relationship with a qualifying child, the case of SD is not directly on point either. In that case, the children concerned (who were British nationals) were also outside the jurisdiction (living in Sri Lanka). The guidance given in the headnote that "[t]here is no equivalent to s.117B(6) ...in any provision of law or policy relating to entry clearance applicants" has to be read in that context. The children on whose position reliance was placed in that case were themselves not living in the UK. Although Section 55 is applied to their situation via the lens of Gen 3.3 of Appendix FM, as a domestic legal provision applying to children living in the UK, it does not apply directly whereas in this case, Section 55 does apply to the Sponsor's daughter. It is somewhat difficult to see why, if the Appellant in this case is found to be in a genuine and subsisting parental relationship with a child who is found to meet the definition of a qualifying child (depending on the reasonableness question), the public interest does not favour him being entitled to enter if it would not require his removal even if he were in the UK illegally.
You have to be married to a settled or British Citizen to apply for a spouse visa from outside the UK.TandT wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:09 amThank you so much Vinny for your time and expertise. I think the only option is to find her way to the UK in order to benefit from FLR FP as a parent to a British child.
Please does she has to marry a settled or British citizen outside the UK with a marriage certificate in order to apply for the spouse route? or she can apply just as a partner without a marriage certificate provided their relationship is 2 years and above? If she is lucky to find someone who likes her here in the UK to start a union together.
Thank you again Vinny and to anyone with knowledge on this question.
There's no time stamp on that. What you need to consider is the fact that the visa allows you to come to the UK and get married within 6 months (of your arrival in the UK). You need to be able to evidence that you and your UK sponsor have been together (1 week, 5 years, 10 years). And you intend to spend the rest of your lives together. Hard to prove this things if the time together is too short.
I think there is a specific prohibition for a person who can apply for both a partner and a parent visa to apply for the latter. They are required to apply for a partner visa, meeting all those requirements.
I saw that and wondered how long it will be before we see these using that scam on here; calling themselves "victims".secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:44 pm@THO, this was in the news just a few days ago.
BBC News: UK men offered £10K to pose as dads in visa scam, BBC investigation finds
Answers to all your questions.Frontier Mole wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:52 pmHas the father agreed formally to cede sole responsibility to the mother? Is there a legal document that sets that out?
Is the father normally resident in the U.K.?
Has the child been issued with a U.K. passport?
PLEASE, MAKING THIS TYPE OF YOUR COMMENT IS NOT A WISE ONE BECAUSE NOT EVERY SITUATION IS A SCAM. AT LEAST THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THE AUTHORITY CAN CHCEK THE GENUINETY OF PEOPLE'S CASES.JB007 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:47 pmI saw that and wondered how long it will be before we see these using that scam on here; calling themselves "victims".secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:44 pm@THO, this was in the news just a few days ago.
BBC News: UK men offered £10K to pose as dads in visa scam, BBC investigation finds
Wow! So rude on a forum that helps people! This certainly is a scam at the moment! Why does your aunt want the British taxpayer to pay for bringing up her child?TandT wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:15 amPLEASE, MAKING THIS TYPE OF YOUR COMMENT IS NOT A WISE ONE BECAUSE NOT EVERY SITUATION IS A SCAM. AT LEAST THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THE AUTHORITY CAN CHCEK THE GENUINETY OF PEOPLE'S CASES.JB007 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:47 pmI saw that and wondered how long it will be before we see these using that scam on here; calling themselves "victims".secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:44 pm@THO, this was in the news just a few days ago.
BBC News: UK men offered £10K to pose as dads in visa scam, BBC investigation finds
A verbal agreement is not worth the paper it is written on.
THE AUTHORITY IS VERY SMART THAN YOU THE GHOST WRITER. THEY INVESTIGATE BEFORE MAKING THEIR DECISION BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NOT FIT TO WORK IN SUCH PLACES BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF IGNORANCE AND POOR JUDGMENT.blondesafari wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:43 amWow! So rude on a forum that helps people! This certainly is a scam at the moment! Why does your aunt want the British taxpayer to pay for bringing up her child?TandT wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:15 amPLEASE, MAKING THIS TYPE OF YOUR COMMENT IS NOT A WISE ONE BECAUSE NOT EVERY SITUATION IS A SCAM. AT LEAST THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THE AUTHORITY CAN CHCEK THE GENUINETY OF PEOPLE'S CASES.JB007 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:47 pmI saw that and wondered how long it will be before we see these using that scam on here; calling themselves "victims".secret.simon wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:44 pm@THO, this was in the news just a few days ago.
BBC News: UK men offered £10K to pose as dads in visa scam, BBC investigation finds
God will bless you and increase you with good knowledge and wisdom. The lawyer has already taken up the case and requested for court judgment paperwork on that. But I will do the groundwork to locate him here in the UK at all cost.secret.simon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 3:15 pmA verbal agreement is not worth the paper it is written on.
You may want to get something in writing, ideally in a court judgment.