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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:41 pm

you are lucky with that.

finding reliable referees for the said guideline isn't easy. :!:
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:51 am

How many photographs are required if using NDRS please?

2 for referees

2 with application

And another 2 with the passport (British) application

So do I need 6 photos in total or am I reading this wrong?


And also for the part in the passport if the parents details are Unknown even if they are born abroad what can be done? (Parents not British and don’t live in Britain)

And also the part about naturalization : as we still haven’t received the certificate, do you tick “no “ in the box of the passport application?

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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:05 am

peacefultraveller wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:51 am
How many photographs are required if using NDRS please?

2 for referees

2 with application

And another 2 with the passport (British) application

So do I need 6 photos in total or am I reading this wrong?


And also for the part in the passport if the parents details are Unknown even if they are born abroad what can be done? (Parents not British and don’t live in Britain)

And also the part about naturalization : as we still haven’t received the certificate, do you tick “no “ in the box of the passport application?

Many thanks
Any information please?
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:09 pm

Does anyone know if we receive an acknowledgment letter when home office receives our pack when it’s sent via the NDRS or do we receive correspondence when they approve or decline or refer the application?

How is naturalization certificate sent?

And how are the passport sent?

Is it all sent via Royal Mail or DX couriers?

Could someone please inform?
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by CR001 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:39 pm

peacefultraveller wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:09 pm
Does anyone know if we receive an acknowledgment letter when home office receives our pack when it’s sent via the NDRS or do we receive correspondence when they approve or decline or refer the application?

How is naturalization certificate sent?

And how are the passport sent?

Is it all sent via Royal Mail or DX couriers?

Could someone please inform?
1. Some get some don't. HO don't communicate with you every step of the process so don't expect any handholding. They will communicate with you if they require something otherwise only once a decision is made.

2. You get your certificate at the ceremony. It is not posted to you.

3. You get the passport a couple of weeks after the ceremony. Some have to sign for it other get it through the post box.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:02 am

Right. Thank you kindly for the reply.

So, once the application is decided that response is sent to us via post, correct?

Will there be a situation where we don’t hear from HO at but a letter of response be sent to the council only?
I.e for booking ceremony etc?

Are we notified when the passports are dispatched or we aren’t? :shock:
(So it could be sent via courier or via Royal Mail?)

I thought they have a set standard for this entire process, considering we are “paying” for a service regardless of it being a privilege to have or not.

Sending an acknowledgment as a “set standard/procedure” doesn’t do harm (just thinking out loud about this)

I know that HO don’t inform right through the entire way but however It would also be nice to be informed if they are using a courier or Royal Mail.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by CR001 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:13 am

So, once the application is decided that response is sent to us via post, correct?
Correct, second class post.
Will there be a situation where we don’t hear from HO at but a letter of response be sent to the council only?
I.e for booking ceremony etc?
Approval comes from HO. Some get the ceremony letter first (few), but mostly you get HO's letter first.
Are we notified when the passports are dispatched or we aren’t? :shock:
(So it could be sent via courier or via Royal Mail?)
Which passports are you referring to??
I thought they have a set standard for this entire process, considering we are “paying” for a service regardless of it being a privilege to have or not.
There is a set process. Not sure what exactly you are referring to??
Sending an acknowledgment as a “set standard/procedure” doesn’t do harm (just thinking out loud about this)
If you apply online, I understand you get an email once you have submitted.
I know that HO don’t inform right through the entire way but however It would also be nice to be informed if they are using a courier or Royal Mail.
(Just a thought 💭)
They use normal post.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:43 pm

Thank you kindly for all the replies.


Just one quick question though, does the HO debit the fees for the B.P. once the application is approved and before sending acknowledgement or do they debit the B.P.P fees once a person attends the citizenship ceremony?


any insight would be appreciated in advance.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by CR001 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:22 pm

Please clarify if you have already applied online and used NDRS for the JCAP as this service is no longer available?

HMPO debits the passport fee. This is debited regardless of whether your application is approved or refused if you have applied using JCAP.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:10 pm

CR001 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:22 pm
Please clarify if you have already applied online and used NDRS for the JCAP as this service is no longer available?

HMPO debits the passport fee. This is debited regardless of whether your application is approved or refused if you have applied using JCAP.

Thank you kindly for the reply.

Yes that is correct, online submission using NDRS.

I am aware the HO fees gets deducted immediately when the application is submitted online; what I am needing to find out is; does the HMPO fees gets debitted only when the application is approved or person attends the ceremony or does it get debited regardless? :?

That’s where I am confused as NDRS works differently to JCAP ( unless I am mistaken)? :shock:
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by CR001 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:12 pm

or does it get debited regardless? :?
This one. There have been refusals even if the passport fee has been debited.
That’s where I am confused as NDRS works differently to JCAP ( unless I am mistaken)?
It is only NDRS that offers JCAP so not sure what you mean the above.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:16 pm

Right.

Thank you for the reply.

So, in a situation where the application is refused, does the HMPO fees get refunded at all pls?
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by CR001 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:17 pm

peacefultraveller wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:16 pm
So, in a situation where the application is refused, does the HMPO fees get refunded at all pls?
No.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:29 pm

Thank you kindly for all the replies and the information.

Could you provide some knowledge on the/about the “Oath or the Affirmation of allegiance” please?

What is the difference between the two?

Which applies to whom?

Any expertise or further clarifications regarding these?
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Post by mtsgill » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:12 pm

Allegiance = The Queen & the UK

Oath = in the name of god
Affirmation = Conscious declaration but not religious

You can either swear in the name of god or ‘solemnly affirm and declare’. The purpose is the same, to show your allegiance towards the Queen and the laws of the United Kingdom.

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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:20 pm

Thank you for the reply.

Do we have to choose one?

Is it possible for a person to do both, Oath and Affirmation and everything?
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Post by mtsgill » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:21 pm

As far as I’m aware you get to choose one at the time of citizenship ceremony. I don’t think you are expected to do both!

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Post by Casa » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:32 pm

As advised by mtsgill...one or the other...not both. :!:
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Post by alterhase58 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:39 pm

Just a random search:
https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/medi ... remony.pdf

During your citizenship ceremony you will be required to swear or affirm your allegiance to the Queen and the United Kingdom. An oath is sworn to God and is a religious pledge, sometimes made on the holy book of the person making the oath. ... The affirmation and the oath are of equal value and you may choose either.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:50 pm

I’m confused as to why there is a need to have two different segments if they are both meant to be the same?

Could someone explain it please if that’s okay?

Is it for the purpose of religious reasons that there is a purpose for the two different ones?

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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by Casa » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:07 pm

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Is it for the purpose of religious reasons that there is a purpose for the two different ones?
Religious reasons.
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:17 pm

Thank you very much for all the replies and information.

And how long after attending the ceremony the passports are sent out please?

And is it sent via DX Couriers?
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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:04 am

peacefultraveller wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:17 pm
Thank you very much for all the replies and information.

And how long after attending the ceremony the passports are sent out please?

And is it sent via DX Couriers?
Any information please?
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Post by mtsgill » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:21 am

Attending ceremony only means you will get your naturalisation certificate and officially become a British citizen.

Passport needs to be separately applied which allows you to choose (during your application) what delivery method you would like to receive your documents. Passport itself is delivered via DX, Yes!

One more thing, the above advise applies if you applied for BN online or using paper, if you have used JCAP - Joint Citizenship & Passport Application, then passport will be processed as part of your original application once after you attend your citizenship ceremony, timescales vary.

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Re: FROM ILR TO CITIZENSHIP

Post by peacefultraveller » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:20 pm

mtsgill wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:21 am

Passport needs to be separately applied which allows you to choose (during your application) what delivery method you would like to receive your documents. Passport itself is delivered via DX, Yes!

One more thing, the above advise applies if you applied for BN online or using paper, if you have used JCAP - Joint Citizenship & Passport Application, then passport will be processed as part of your original application once after you attend your citizenship ceremony, timescales vary.


Thank you for the reply.
Yes if applied online via JCAP was used then upon attending the ceremony for citizenship, does the individual automatically receive the passport via post through DX Couriers?

Or does the individual need to do anything further please?

iI understand the time scales may vary but on a brief level, approximately how long does it take to be sent through couriers please?
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