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The Home Office have to keep operating as if they are in the EU until 31 December 2020. The Courts also have to keep operating under normal rules until 31 December 2020.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:30 pmMy understanding is that, if one applied before the deadline they should normally be issuing a card if they are successful even after the 31st
Why would they still accept application? On to the government website the link for derivative card is still available. But they state that one can no longer apply after the 31/12
By law, they must offer you a right of appeal. The Withdrawal Agreement applies until 31 December 2020. You might as well file your DRF1 appeal. Hopefully, the Court will give you a refund if they decide not to process your DRF1 appeal. They couldn't say anything because the Brexit agreement was under negotiation as recently as 23 December 2020.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:35 pmAnd also why would they give me a right of appeal knowing that Zambrano won’t exit no more after the 31/12?
I am trying to understand this
They should say in their letter that we are refusing you and you cannot appeal this decision as this route will no longer exit as we are approaching the deadline.
Thank you Lolwelolwe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:54 pmBy law, they must offer you a right of appeal. The Withdrawal Agreement applies until 31 December 2020. You might as well file your DRF1 appeal. Hopefully, the Court will give you a refund if they decide not to process your DRF1 appeal. They couldn't say anything because the Brexit agreement was under negotiation as recently as 23 December 2020.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:35 pmAnd also why would they give me a right of appeal knowing that Zambrano won’t exit no more after the 31/12?
I am trying to understand this
They should say in their letter that we are refusing you and you cannot appeal this decision as this route will no longer exit as we are approaching the deadline.
What if the same person signs all Zambrano carer refusals? That would be funny (and creepy).
My first correspondence for my EUSS application was with him. He was the one who advised me to reapply for Appendix FM, before they close my case instead of refusing me, that was by email. I would never forget that name as I was so furious when hearing that after 18 months of waiting. He then sent me a refusal letter when I replied saying he has no right to tell me the route to apply for.
Maybe his Christmas bonus is based on the number of Zambrano carers he gets to switch to Appendix FMMiss-Suz wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:59 pmMy first correspondence for my EUSS application was with him. He was the one who advised me to reapply for Appendix FM, before they close my case instead of refusing me, that was by email. I would never forget that name as I was so furious when hearing that after 18 months of waiting. He then sent me a refusal letter when I replied saying he has no right to tell me the route to apply for.
Now this letter I just received is signed with the same name.
British citizens are covered by the TFEU until 31 December 2020. The TFEU is the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU.
EU and UK citizens' rights after Brexit
Citizens' rights after the end of the transition period
After the end of the transition period, EU and UK citizens covered by the withdrawal agreement will benefit from rights protected therein for their lifetime, as long as they continue to satisfy the conditions. The agreement also protects the rights of their non-EU/EEA family members, under the limits set by its provisions.
The EUSS appeals will certainly go forward, as the programme is still open. I don't see the point to the DRF1 continuing after 31 December 2020, given that people are supposed to apply under EUSS.
Zambrano carers can not directly rely on Article 20 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the EU (TFEU). The reliance is indirect, or derived.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:42 amThe three “gateways” by which EU law will be retained after the end of the implementation period are as follows:
Note that the following do not count as direct EU law after the end of the implementation period:
Anything that becomes part of EU-derived domestic law retained under s.2 (s.3(2)(b)).
Directives (see the definition of “tertiary legislation” in s.20), and the provisions of the Treaties themselves. However, insofar as rights arising under the Treaties are directly effective, they will be retained under s.4 as explained below. Equally, some directly effective rights arising under Directives will be retained under s.4 and/or under s. 2, if they have been transposed into domestic law.
The Charter of Fundamental Rights (s.5(4)). However, “any fundamental rights or principles which exist irrespective of the Charter” are unaffected by this (s.5(4)-(5)).
lolwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:15 amBritish citizens are covered by the TFEU until 31 December 2020. The TFEU is the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU.
Under Article 9 of the TEU and Article 20 of the TFEU, every person holding the nationality of a Member State is a citizen of the Union.
TFEU no longer applies to UK citizens (or indirectly to their Zambrano carer parents) after 31 December 2020 because they do not hold the nationality of a Member State.
Zambrano carers are not covered by the Withdrawal Agreement and the negotiated deal.
The UK decided to add Zambrano carers to the EU settlement scheme (Appendix EU), but they did not have to because Zambrano carers are not covered by the Withdrawal Agreement.
EU and UK citizens' rights after Brexit
Citizens' rights after the end of the transition period
After the end of the transition period, EU and UK citizens covered by the withdrawal agreement will benefit from rights protected therein for their lifetime, as long as they continue to satisfy the conditions. The agreement also protects the rights of their non-EU/EEA family members, under the limits set by its provisions.
I don’t understand this partlolwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:15 amBritish citizens are covered by the TFEU until 31 December 2020. The TFEU is the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU.
Under Article 9 of the TEU and Article 20 of the TFEU, every person holding the nationality of a Member State is a citizen of the Union.
TFEU no longer applies to UK citizens (or indirectly to their Zambrano carer parents) after 31 December 2020 because they do not hold the nationality of a Member State.
Zambrano carers are not covered by the Withdrawal Agreement and the negotiated deal.
The UK decided to add Zambrano carers to the EU settlement scheme (Appendix EU), but they did not have to because Zambrano carers are not covered by the Withdrawal Agreement.
EU and UK citizens' rights after Brexit
Citizens' rights after the end of the transition period
After the end of the transition period, EU and UK citizens covered by the withdrawal agreement will benefit from rights protected therein for their lifetime, as long as they continue to satisfy the conditions. The agreement also protects the rights of their non-EU/EEA family members, under the limits set by its provisions.
If I understand, Zambrano judgment is a CJEU case law.
Your British child has coverage under the Withdrawal Agreement. For example, your British child can get health insurance that will cover them if they go on holiday on the continent. You, as the parent of a British child, do not benefit.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:40 amlolwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:15 amBritish citizens are covered by the TFEU until 31 December 2020. The TFEU is the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU.
Under Article 9 of the TEU and Article 20 of the TFEU, every person holding the nationality of a Member State is a citizen of the Union.
TFEU no longer applies to UK citizens (or indirectly to their Zambrano carer parents) after 31 December 2020 because they do not hold the nationality of a Member State.
Zambrano carers are not covered by the Withdrawal Agreement and the negotiated deal.
The UK decided to add Zambrano carers to the EU settlement scheme (Appendix EU), but they did not have to because Zambrano carers are not covered by the Withdrawal Agreement.
EU and UK citizens' rights after Brexit
Citizens' rights after the end of the transition period
After the end of the transition period, EU and UK citizens covered by the withdrawal agreement will benefit from rights protected therein for their lifetime, as long as they continue to satisfy the conditions. The agreement also protects the rights of their non-EU/EEA family members, under the limits set by its provisions.
Yes, Ruiz Zambrano took his complaint to the European Court of Justice. He relied on the Charter of Fundamental Rights. Zambrano lived in Belgium. Belgium is a member of the Council of the European Union.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:52 amIf I understand, Zambrano judgment is a CJEU case law.
If so, the judges may decide by relying on this as it state in some of the articles. Given that we will have passed the
transition period
I get it, thanks Lolwelolwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:06 amYes, Ruiz Zambrano took his complaint to the European Court of Justice. He relied on the Charter of Fundamental Rights. Zambrano lived in Belgium. Belgium is a member of the Council of the European Union.Miss-Suz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:52 amIf I understand, Zambrano judgment is a CJEU case law.
If so, the judges may decide by relying on this as it state in some of the articles. Given that we will have passed the
transition period
The UK was a member of the Council of the EU. The UK is no longer a member of the Council of the European Union.
The Zambrano ruling applied to the UK because the UK was a member of the Council of the European Union. Therefore, the Zambrano ruling no longer applies to the UK.
After 31 December 2020, UK judges will rely on UK laws, the European Convention on Human Rights, and the Brexit deal. Zambrano carers are at the mercy of the UK's Parliament.
The EU has no role for Zambrano carers after 31 December 2020.