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Settlement visa for my mom and my brother

Post by nasjam » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:44 pm

Dear readers!

I need your help as I am going to apply settlment visas for my mom and my brother. Following is my situation.

I am a British british citizen, orignally from Afghanistan. I have a very successfull business here in the UK and wanted to apply for settlement visas for my 67 years old WIDOW mom and for my 17 year old brother.

They live in Pakistan and they both do not have anyone who can look after them. I just wanted to know that is it possible to apply settlement visas for both in Pakistan or not.

Along with that, could you please tell me that what are other crucial document apart from the following.

* I have accomodation for both.
* I have bank statements and prove of my business.
* I can prove that they are living alone in Pakistan and they do not have any one accept me.
* I have been in the UK for 8 years and I have never ever taken any kind of benefits and I always support my self and my wife.


If you think I can add any other document please let me know. It will be really appreciated.

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Nas

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Post by Wanderer » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:31 pm

67 year old mom with a 17 year old son? Hmmmm...
An chéad stad eile Stáisiún Uí Chonghaile....

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Post by Frontier Mole » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:35 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how the third world mothers just seem to keep on giving birth even into their 50's and 60's. Must be the diet or the wonderful clean air or something.

Let me guess - bet he forgot to mention his 9 year old brother when he put in his asylum claim. That just could be a problem.......

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Re: Settlement visa for my mom and my brother

Post by sakura » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:57 am

nasjam wrote:Dear readers!

I need your help as I am going to apply settlment visas for my mom and my brother. Following is my situation.

I am a British british citizen, orignally from Afghanistan. I have a very successfull business here in the UK and wanted to apply for settlement visas for my 67 years old WIDOW mom and for my 17 year old brother.

They live in Pakistan and they both do not have anyone who can look after them. I just wanted to know that is it possible to apply settlement visas for both in Pakistan or not.

Along with that, could you please tell me that what are other crucial document apart from the following.

* I have accomodation for both.
* I have bank statements and prove of my business.
* I can prove that they are living alone in Pakistan and they do not have any one accept me.
* I have been in the UK for 8 years and I have never ever taken any kind of benefits and I always support my self and my wife.


If you think I can add any other document please let me know. It will be really appreciated.

regards
Nas
There is a policy to bring over dependent parents, but the requirements are quite stringent and very many fail in getting a successful application.

There is no such policy to bring over (dependent) siblings. When does your brother turn 18?

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Post by INSIDER » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:15 am

Ah, but he hasn't actually said his mother is also the mother of his brother. Perhaps, as they say in east Africa, he is a broda from anoda moda. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Settlement visa for my mom and my brother

Post by nasjam » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:13 pm

sakura wrote:
nasjam wrote:Dear readers!

I need your help as I am going to apply settlment visas for my mom and my brother. Following is my situation.

I am a British british citizen, orignally from Afghanistan. I have a very successfull business here in the UK and wanted to apply for settlement visas for my 67 years old WIDOW mom and for my 17 year old brother.

They live in Pakistan and they both do not have anyone who can look after them. I just wanted to know that is it possible to apply settlement visas for both in Pakistan or not.

Along with that, could you please tell me that what are other crucial document apart from the following.

* I have accomodation for both.
* I have bank statements and prove of my business.
* I can prove that they are living alone in Pakistan and they do not have any one accept me.
* I have been in the UK for 8 years and I have never ever taken any kind of benefits and I always support my self and my wife.


If you think I can add any other document please let me know. It will be really appreciated.

regards
Nas
There is a policy to bring over dependent parents, but the requirements are quite stringent and very many fail in getting a successful application.

There is no such policy to bring over (dependent) siblings. When does your brother turn 18?

Actually we all three "Me, my mom, and my brother are all biological family" We can prove that with dna or anything. I know it is so much different between my mom age and my brother age but it is a fact.

My brother will turn 18 after 10 months.

I want to make another point regarding siblings. If I apply only for my mom than where my 17 yeard old will live? therefore I was thinking to apply for both.

I have 2 biological brother who also live in pakistan but they are not willing to give shelter to my mom and my brother.

Any help will be really appreciated.

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Post by Frontier Mole » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:40 pm

Is it just me or do others get the feeling that this AFG is not an AFG?
Everyone is in PAK - why is that? Maybe that is where they were all born and live?

As for two brother not willing to help their own Mum - really!! Or is that a practise run for the dependent visa story?

Sorry do not but into any of this storyline.

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Post by nasjam » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:44 pm

Frontier Mole wrote:Is it just me or do others get the feeling that this AFG is not an AFG?
Everyone is in PAK - why is that? Maybe that is where they were all born and live?

As for two brother not willing to help their own Mum - really!! Or is that a practise run for the dependent visa story?

Sorry do not but into any of this storyline.
I know front Mole. It is very disturbing to hear my borthers are not giving shelter to my mom and brother. One reason for that is that they bother are married and there finacial situation is not good.

I am asking this in regards to HO. what are the chances for me bringing them here?

what document can they ask for apart from finacial and accomoddation.

any adivce will be appreciated.

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Post by UKBAbble » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:51 pm

No chance for the brother I'm afraid.

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Post by nasjam » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:58 pm

UKBAbble wrote:No chance for the brother I'm afraid.
But how can they seperate my mom and his 17 year old son?? and who my 17 year old brother with live with then??

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Post by UKBAbble » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:19 pm

Well I am sure they would take him into consideration when deciding your mother's application.

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Post by nasjam » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:10 am

UKBAbble wrote:Well I am sure they would take him into consideration when deciding your mother's application.
Thank you for replying UKBAbble. I know it is very messed up case but mom and my 17 year old brother are really connected and if they issue visa to one than it will really be unfair.

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Post by Wanderer » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:09 am

What does ur 17 yo brother do - does he work?
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Post by nasjam » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:34 pm

Wanderer wrote:What does ur 17 yo brother do - does he work?
Thank you for your reply... He study there... and my mom will rather not come and sacrify her life there if she has to leave his youngest son who live with her all those years.

any suggestion will be appreciated.

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Post by sakura » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:16 am

nasjam wrote:
Wanderer wrote:What does ur 17 yo brother do - does he work?
Thank you for your reply... He study there... and my mom will rather not come and sacrify her life there if she has to leave his youngest son who live with her all those years.

any suggestion will be appreciated.
Applications for parents generally would not consider children under 18. You, as the sponsor, can sponsor your mother but for your brother, she cannot add a dependent child. As I wrote before, there are no clear policies to sponsor siblings. I think what might happen is that she might well get a visa but he would not, and there is really no room to argue because his application would rely on you and there would be a high threshold to bring him over. Also, once he hits 18 it would be even harder, as he would be considered an adult.

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Post by nasjam » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:24 am

sakura wrote:
nasjam wrote:
Wanderer wrote:What does ur 17 yo brother do - does he work?
Thank you for your reply... He study there... and my mom will rather not come and sacrify her life there if she has to leave his youngest son who live with her all those years.

any suggestion will be appreciated.
Applications for parents generally would not consider children under 18. You, as the sponsor, can sponsor your mother but for your brother, she cannot add a dependent child. As I wrote before, there are no clear policies to sponsor siblings. I think what might happen is that she might well get a visa but he would not, and there is really no room to argue because his application would rely on you and there would be a high threshold to bring him over. Also, once he hits 18 it would be even harder, as he would be considered an adult.
Thank you so much.. really apreciated your help

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Post by nasjam » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:51 am

sakura wrote:
nasjam wrote:
Wanderer wrote:What does ur 17 yo brother do - does he work?
Thank you for your reply... He study there... and my mom will rather not come and sacrify her life there if she has to leave his youngest son who live with her all those years.

any suggestion will be appreciated.
Applications for parents generally would not consider children under 18. You, as the sponsor, can sponsor your mother but for your brother, she cannot add a dependent child. As I wrote before, there are no clear policies to sponsor siblings. I think what might happen is that she might well get a visa but he would not, and there is really no room to argue because his application would rely on you and there would be a high threshold to bring him over. Also, once he hits 18 it would be even harder, as he would be considered an adult.

Can I please point out the following Paragraph to you Sakura or to anyone else and let me know if I am wrong.

please visit: http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply ... members#Q4

After that click on the 4th question where is says. Can parents, grandparents and other dependent relatives go to live in the UK?

After that please read the paragraph where it says:

If you are over 18 and have a parent settled in the UK, or if you are a sister, brother, aunt, uncle or any other relative of a person settled in the UK, you may qualify if you meet the conditions listed in the previous paragraph and you are living alone in the most exceptional compassionate circumstances.

I know it is really hard but there is a policy on that right?

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Post by UKBAbble » Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:18 pm

It isn't a right it's a concession.

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Post by nasjam » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:37 am

UKBAbble wrote:It isn't a right it's a concession.
Thank you for your reply.

Please forgive me if I am too serious on this issue and keep responding to your replies.

I know it isnt a right and I know it will be very hard to issue visa for my mom and my brother BUT i think is is not impossible.

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Post by bototo » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:58 pm

She never claimed it was a right! Give her a break :)

She is correct in that there is a clear policy on the issue of parents. If her mother meets those requirements she's welcome in the UK and will get ILR. Does anyone believe that this is not a correct understanding of the position?

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Post by nasjam » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:25 pm

bototo wrote:She never claimed it was a right! Give her a break :)

She is correct in that there is a clear policy on the issue of parents. If her mother meets those requirements she's welcome in the UK and will get ILR. Does anyone believe that this is not a correct understanding of the position?
Thank you so much bototo for your kind reply.

I am aware of the policies for my mom. The only thing I am worry is that can I apply for my teenager brother as well as my mom.

Please read one of the link I have posted earlier in one of my post where it says you can apply for your brother or sister as well but in very bad circumstances.

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Post by PaperPusher » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:32 pm

Hello

Before you said that your brother is not your mother's son. Is he your biological brother? If so what is the relationship to you and your mum? What is his background.

Why can't he stay where he is?

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Post by bototo » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:19 am

Please read his posts again - my understanding is that it's his biological brother.

I fear that time is short for the brother application as he'll be 18 soon and I beleeve that the parent application is stronger submitted on its own and you are more likely to succeed

To be fair, it would difficult to argue that your brother can't take care of himself back home with a little financial help from you. You would like him to be here but it would be difficult to argue that he needs to be here unless you get a very, very good lawyer.

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Post by nasjam » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:26 am

bototo wrote:Please read his posts again - my understanding is that it's his biological brother.

I fear that time is short for the brother application as he'll be 18 soon and I beleeve that the parent application is stronger submitted on its own and you are more likely to succeed

To be fair, it would difficult to argue that your brother can't take care of himself back home with a little financial help from you. You would like him to be here but it would be difficult to argue that he needs to be here unless you get a very, very good lawyer.
Thank you for your reply.

He is my biological brother and my mom biological son. We all are biologicals lol

I know he will be 18 but not very soon.

I know it will be really hard. I just want to see if there is any rule. I want to know if I am not doing anything against there policies.

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Post by Ben » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:27 am

nasjam,

The chances of bringing your mother and brother to the UK, in the present circumstances, are slim.

How badly do you want them both there?

A workable route is for you to leave the UK, live with them in Pakistan under one roof, move together to another EU country (where you will work / study / open a business), then move together to the UK.

Not ideal by any stretch, but possible, lawful and free of visa fees.

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