i really need advice

[mischak21]

Hi im new to this board and im really hoping i can get some advice be it advice i want to know or dont. Im in a really bad situation:
I met m guy on the internet when i was 17 we started talking and over time it developed into something more than just friends,we had a real connection and that fact that it was internet based didnt seem to matter because we were just enjoying getting to know eachother, after 2 years he proposed to me and i accepted, another year passed and we still hadnt met in persone with me being at school i could not sfford to travel and i was living at home, so last summer i finally had enough money to go and see him, we had sort of disscissed maybe getting married then so i got that form and sent it just incase but we didnt think it woulld happen, so i went there and on meeting him all our feelings came bursting out and we went for it, we got married!!!! I came home ad he applied for a visa to come here so we could celebrate here with friends and family, it got refused, we appealed..it got refused. i went over there again and came back applied again refused applealed and refused AGAIN!!
The reasons for refusal are relationship history because we just simple dont have any and cant magic them form somewhere and finace even though he has 5000 in his bank account that he lodged to prove finance

we are not at the stage where we just dont know what do to next

Is he ever going to get a visa because we cant provide evidence of the relationship?
hes only applying for a 3month holiday visa and he will go back and apply again for another one

Im irish and he is turkish
we are both them same age
he has money in his account but they wont accept it because it was a lump sum

please advise us on the best route to take with this and suggestions of possible things we could do to help us
also we were thinking of going to an immagration lawyer to get some advice or maybe to get the lawyer to submit the next application?????????

thank you so much for reading this

m.k

[scrudu]

Is it a possibility for you to live with your husband for a period of time? Either in Turkey or another country? You really need to prove that your relationship is legitimate and existing. Typically couples do this by providing shared utility bills, repeated visits to each other (prior to marriage), shared bank statements, letters of correspondence, evidence of prior meetings, letters from family members etc. Given that from your details below, you have no evidence of a relationship other than your online connection, the onus is really on you to do it by some other means.

I would second your idea of engaging the services of an Immigration Lawyer to assist you with this application. If you have failed 3 times already on your own, surely it's worth investing in a professional to aid you and your husband living together in Ireland?

Also you mention finance and relationship history. Were these two the reasons given for refusal? Did you provide any evidence of finances? Can your husband prove his skills and show that he would be employable when he arrives in Ireland? Basically they are worried that he may become a burden on the State, so both you and him need to show you have shared funds and that you will be able to support him or that he will be able to support himself on arrival in Ireland.

[mischak21]

my husband gave a bank statement which showed he had 5000 in his account but they would not accept this because it was a lump lodgement.
Myhusband is not going to be working here as he will only be on a 3 month holiday visa the reason hes coming is so we can celebrate our marriage here in ireland..he will then go back to turkey with probably me with him and apply to come again

I read somewhere that they cant really refuse an application purely on the fact that we dont have evidence before the marriage and that evidence after the marriage is just as important????

since the last refusal i was thinking that maybe if we waited a few months, because he has to wait two months anyway to apply again, and if we gathered as much evidence as we could and he stared saving into his bank account and also if i went over a couple of times and then if we also got an immagration lawyer to help what do you think our chances would be then

thanks again

M.K

[scrudu]

So it sounds like your problems are two fold, the first being Relationship History and the second being Finances.

Finances first: Lump sum payments are not usually recognised by any Immigration as they do not show illustrate earning potential or indicate that the money will stay in the account. Only regular lodgments would do this. Your husband will need to show that he will not be financially dependent on the State. To do this usually you would send in bank statements showing regular pay from current/previous jobs. Secondly he could submit pay slips or other financial records (rental agreement / utility bills) to show regular payments being met. Educational documents could be submitted to show earning potential.

If your husband cannot submit these, then you could try proving that you will be financially responsible for him, by submitting similar documents to show you can pay for both of you (Bank statements, Job Reference, Payslips etc.).

Regarding Relationship history, so apart from your online communication, how many times have you two met? Do you have evidence of these meetings? What did you submit to show this? I think at this stage you really need to prove that this relationship is existing and is not simply a "marriage of convenience". There are plenty of other threads on this forum from people in similar situations and I'd advise you read them to see how others proved their marriage to the DoJ. If you cannot prove your relationship prior to marriage, then you should really start trying to prove your relationship now, by showing your committment to each other. Typically married couples will live together, so periods spent living together in Turkey would all help show your committment.

I really can't advise on what your chances would be, but I'd guess they'd have to be better than now if you can allay DoJ's fears about your Relationship History. If you try to think about why the DoJ would be worried and provide evidence to allay those fears, you should succeed. Please do remember that unlike other EU citizens in Ireland, there is no right for Irish citizens to be joined by their non-EU spouse in Ireland. Visas are granted at "the discretion of the Minister for Justice", so they can continue to refuse if they doubt any of the evidence submitted or the grounds for his entry to Ireland.

You say that your husband only wishes to visit Ireland on a tourist visa for a temporary period, but you have not shown the DoJ that you intend to move to Turkey afterwards to be with your husband. You can imagine that would set off alarm bells as it would seem that the couple do not intend to live together either in Ireland or Turkey. I can imagine they fear that either he would overstay and then apply for a D-Spouse visa from inside Ireland, or that since you haven't shown that you intend to live together afterwards, they can question both of your committment to each other.

I read somewhere that they cant really refuse an application purely on the fact that we dont have evidence before the marriage and that evidence after the marriage is just as important????

As above, they can refuse as many times as they see fit if they have any doubts about the evidence submitted. They are trying to ascertain that the marriage is legitimate and if they doubt that (before or after) they can refuse the application.