Naturalization Query

[gulyana786]

I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less.

john

Setm's question is crystal clear. I 100% agree with setm. this question is beyond your capability. Your are rude. Should not you appologise setm on this kind of dull and rubish reply......? Bear in mind you are representing immigrationboards.com forum.

---------Admin pls advise all of your moderators not be rude and always deliver proper reply--------------------

Clear your position poor john....

Many thanks Gulyana786! for you support.

Very nice. I appreciate and respect your thoughts. I wish all the rude moderators like so called john should behave nicely with members. Admin must advise them not to rude with members and reply to the point what exactly members ask for. There should not be any place for such a rude moderator at this beautiful forum.

Regards,
Setm

I fail to see what gripe you have with John.
He answered your question very clearly.
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand what he said.
It was plain simple english. He was calling a spade a spade.
I think you owe him an apology

mochyn

I just wanna say you are a dancer who is dancing without music thats why you could not find gripe between me and john.
If the answer was so clear to you than why would'nt you explain all this to me?

[gulyana786]

Setm,

Please calm down. John have not said any thing wrong. He just said as it says on guidelines. And I fully agree with him. You guys need to understand he is one of them who have contributed a lot to this board and helped many of us.

I am sorry and not being rude but people on board need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out.

Regards

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

[gulyana786]

The problem is this. People look for enormous complications in a very simple matter. So please just read the words I actually wrote, and it should make complete sense.

That is, don't try to look for complicated hidden meanings in my words ..... just read what I actually wrote!

And what I did not write (in isolation) is ....physically in uk 'EXACTLY 3 YEARS' ... that is, I did not stop my sentence there, did I. The word "before" is rather important ... and before what is crystal clear in what I wrote.

So please, please, again, read what I actually wrote!

john! I have done through lots of time on your word '''''''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''''''' still does not make any sense. Becaue you could not understand the QUESTION WHAT WAS ASKED FOR?

[gulyana786]

Just to add to what I posted earlier, in case the penny has not yet dropped, I ask the following simple question.

If someone married to (or in Civil Partnership with) a British citizen was making a Naturalisation application today, my very simple question is .... what date was it exactly 3 years ago?

Has the penny dropped now?

Now you are coming to the point. say someone is married with british citizen and planning to make an naturalisation application on 1st feb 2010 so the date 3 year ago will be 1st feb 2007. Am I right john?

Now the confusion is 1st year of 3 year qualify period was on student visa.

From 2007 to Dec 2007 applicant was on student visa.
From Jan 2008 to 5th Jan 2010 applicant on spouse visa.
From 6th Jan 2010 applicant on ILR ( UNDER SET-M)
From 6th Jan 2010, applicant confused.... apply citizenship or dont apply..

Other moderators and experts said citizenship will be due after 2 year spouse visa + 1 year of ILR. That means they are not adding up 1 year of student status. whats your thoughts john. Bear in mind no one want to loss 720pounds fee on application.

[John]

Other moderators and experts said citizenship will be due after 2 year spouse visa + 1 year of ILR

Did they really? Can you point where someone has said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what they said? That 3 years less 2 years = 1 year on ILR .... but I doubt whether they actually said that the person needs to have ILR for 1 year.

Could it be that you are trying to invent rules that are not actually there?

Now the confusion is 1st year of 3 year qualify period was on student visa.

Where is the confusion? Where does it say what type of visa the person has to have at the start of their 3-year qualifying period? It doesn't, and as long as all the other rules are passed, for example the 270-day rule and the 90-day rule, the person could have even been in the UK as a visitor at the start of their 3-year qualifying period?

The important, as mentioned many times before, is that the person was in the UK exactly 3 years before UKBA receive their Naturalisation application.

From 6th Jan 2010, applicant confused.... apply citizenship or dont apply..

Given that you don't tell us what dates in 2007 you were in the UK, it is impossible to answer.

[gulyana786]

Other moderators and experts said citizenship will be due after 2 year spouse visa + 1 year of ILR

Did they really? Can you point where someone has said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what they said? That 3 years less 2 years = 1 year on ILR .... but I doubt whether they actually said that the person needs to have ILR for 1 year.

Could it be that you are trying to invent rules that are not actually there?

Now the confusion is 1st year of 3 year qualify period was on student visa.

Where is the confusion? Where does it say what type of visa the person has to have at the start of their 3-year qualifying period? It doesn't, and as long as all the other rules are passed, for example the 270-day rule and the 90-day rule, the person could have even been in the UK as a visitor at the start of their 3-year qualifying period?

The important, as mentioned many times before, is that the person was in the UK exactly 3 years before UKBA receive their Naturalisation application.

From 6th Jan 2010, applicant confused.... apply citizenship or dont apply..

Given that you don't tell us what dates in 2007 you were in the UK, it is impossible to answer.

John Now I must thank you. I got your points.

Date is 1st of Jan 2007 and person was in uk...


Pls follow the link

( discussion with other moderator:question by setm from batleykhan: http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... start=4220)

Answer from batleykhan: http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... start=4240

[John]

gulyana786, thank you for your post, especially those links. I have just PM's the member concerned.

If you arrived in the UK on 01.01.2007, and did not depart from the UK for a short holiday shortly thereafter, it looks like you can apply for Naturalisation now.

This rule, the need to be physically in the UK at the start of the qualifying period, is very strict, and UKBA have no discretion about it. It is either passed or failed, that is it.

A few months ago I acted as referee on the Naturalisation application of a family friend. She first came to the UK on a visitor visa, for nearly 6 months, then she went back to her country for about 4 months, where she married her British Citizen husband, and shortly after that she returned to the UK armed with a shiny new 2-year spouse visa. Near the end of that she got her ILR.

Anyway, her Naturalisation application was submitted shortly after the 3rd anniversary of her arrival in the UK on the visitor visa, and needless to say, the application was granted, all the rule having been met. That was the case even though the ILR was only just over 2 months old, when the Naturalisation application was made.

[setm]

gulyana786, thank you for your post, especially those links. I have just PM's the member concerned.

If you arrived in the UK on 01.01.2007, and did not depart from the UK for a short holiday shortly thereafter, it looks like you can apply for Naturalisation now.

This rule, the need to be physically in the UK at the start of the qualifying period, is very strict, and UKBA have no discretion about it. It is either passed or failed, that is it.

A few months ago I acted as referee on the Naturalisation application of a family friend. She first came to the UK on a visitor visa, for nearly 6 months, then she went back to her country for about 4 months, where she married her British Citizen husband, and shortly after that she returned to the UK armed with a shiny new 2-year spouse visa. Near the end of that she got her ILR.

Anyway, her Naturalisation application was submitted shortly after the 3rd anniversary of her arrival in the UK on the visitor visa, and needless to say, the application was granted, all the rule having been met. That was the case even though the ILR was only just over 2 months old, when the Naturalisation application was made.

Thanks John and Gulyana786. The conversation is very helpful to me and all others who are having same situation like me. Much appreciated.

Setm

[Dr Logic]

Dear John, Gulyana786 and setm

I've been going through all conversation between you guys. Its very helpful and I'm very delighted that I can apply citizenship now. I'm so excited.

I came to uk in dec 2003 as student now I'm on ILR after two year spouse visa. I would like to double check the following details with you guys. Please look into it and advise..

-from 29 dec 2003 to oct 2007 on student visa
-from Nov 2007 to 23 nov 2009 on spouse visa
-from 24 Nov 2009 on ILR

Plz note during this 6 year uk stay I've been 12 times went out the country for holidays etc. These absents are 120 days in total during last 6 year period and less than 90 days a year. I'm still in uk and working full time. My absents detail is as follows:

2003: nil

2004: nil

2005: total 23 days
06 days - 17/05/05 to 22/05/05
17 days - 05/08/05 to 21/08/05

2006: total 28 days
06 days - 16/06/06 to 21/06/06
22 days - 09/10/06 to 30/10/06

2007: total 20 days
10 days - 07/04/07 to 16/04/07
10 days - 20/12/07 to 28/12/07

2008: total 21 days
21 days - 27/09/08 to 18/10/08

2009: total 28 days
04 days - 02/04/09 to 05/04/09
11 days - 29/04/09 to 09/05/09
04 days - 16/10/09 to 19/10/09
04 days - 25/11/09 to 28/11/09
05 days - 29/12/09 to 03/01/2010

Plz advise when shall I apply for citizenship?

Dr Logic

[gulyana786]

gulyana786, thank you for your post, especially those links. I have just PM's the member concerned.

If you arrived in the UK on 01.01.2007, and did not depart from the UK for a short holiday shortly thereafter, it looks like you can apply for Naturalisation now.

This rule, the need to be physically in the UK at the start of the qualifying period, is very strict, and UKBA have no discretion about it. It is either passed or failed, that is it.

A few months ago I acted as referee on the Naturalisation application of a family friend. She first came to the UK on a visitor visa, for nearly 6 months, then she went back to her country for about 4 months, where she married her British Citizen husband, and shortly after that she returned to the UK armed with a shiny new 2-year spouse visa. Near the end of that she got her ILR.

Anyway, her Naturalisation application was submitted shortly after the 3rd anniversary of her arrival in the UK on the visitor visa, and needless to say, the application was granted, all the rule having been met. That was the case even though the ILR was only just over 2 months old, when the Naturalisation application was made.

Well done John. All sorted.

Thank you.

Gulyana786

[keshgrover]

Setm,

Please calm down. John have not said any thing wrong. He just said as it says on guidelines. And I fully agree with him. You guys need to understand he is one of them who have contributed a lot to this board and helped many of us.

I am sorry and not being rude but people on board need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out.

Regards

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

I bet half of people those read your answer to my reply DID NOT understood what chamcha-geree is? Even John.

I am warning you to be carefull to use such words against me next time. I am Indian too and I respect others with the same dignity as I expect them to have for me.

I tried to calm you down to get the situation resolve and you used such words on me. I am sorry to say but people like you spoil the image of such a decent country.

Good luck to you with your application and please DO NOT BOTHER to answer this time.

[John]

Dr Logic, we need to clarify one fact, and I cannot assume.

You say you were on a spouse visa, but are you married to a British Citizen? The point is that you could have got a spouse visa even if your spouse was not British but "merely" in the UK with say ILR.

[Dr Logic]

Setm,

Please calm down. John have not said any thing wrong. He just said as it says on guidelines. And I fully agree with him. You guys need to understand he is one of them who have contributed a lot to this board and helped many of us.

I am sorry and not being rude but people on board need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out.

Regards

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

I bet half of people those read your answer to my reply DID NOT understood what chamcha-geree is? Even John.

I am warning you to be carefull to use such words against me next time. I am Indian too and I respect others with the same dignity as I expect them to have for me.

I tried to calm you down to get the situation resolve and you used such words on me. I am sorry to say but people like you spoil the image of such a decent country.

Good luck to you with your application and please DO NOT BOTHER to answer this time.

Mr or Miss Keshgrover!

Would you shut up plz. This is disucssion forum not a betting forum. I'm going through all the conversation. The matter is solved between setm, gulyana786 and john.

You really deserve the words said by gulyana786. Before I was thinking gulyana786 should not use that kind of word but now you prove it that you actually deserve that word even worst than that. How come you warn some one you silly cow? Gulyana786 is 110% right and I must appreicate him how quickly he recognized your typical mentality. You are a real CHAMCHA and a troble maker. Your kind of shit mentality holders are spoiling not only the indian image but whole humanity. Change your typical mantality. dont borther to reply again............... stay away if you can not anwer the questions.

Dr Logic

[Dr Logic]

Dr Logic, we need to clarify one fact, and I cannot assume.

You say you were on a spouse visa, but are you married to a British Citizen? The point is that you could have got a spouse visa even if your spouse was not British but "merely" in the UK with say ILR.

Dear John

thanks for your repy. Yes I am married with british citizen.

Dr Logic

[setm]

Setm,

Please calm down. John have not said any thing wrong. He just said as it says on guidelines. And I fully agree with him. You guys need to understand he is one of them who have contributed a lot to this board and helped many of us.

I am sorry and not being rude but people on board need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out.

Regards

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

I bet half of people those read your answer to my reply DID NOT understood what chamcha-geree is? Even John.

I am warning you to be carefull to use such words against me next time. I am Indian too and I respect others with the same dignity as I expect them to have for me.

I tried to calm you down to get the situation resolve and you used such words on me. I am sorry to say but people like you spoil the image of such a decent country.

Good luck to you with your application and please DO NOT BOTHER to answer this time.

Well said Dr logic. I have a doubt keshgrover, are you really an indian? What sort of mentality you got? Now I can bet on your nationality? I am 100 percent sure you are not an indian....... you might have got indian nationality through your husband or other family member but you are not genion indian.

You are not only a chamchee but FATOORAN ( perosn how creates problem for others without any concern )as well.

setm

[our india]

SHAM ON YOU keshgrover. u r putting fuel on fire. you can not be an indian?



Our India

[gulyana786]

Ms Keshgrover

You can bark the way you like. Doesnt really matter to me. Even I dont like to repy you but other members do borther to reply. And have good look at what 'Our india, setm and Dr logic said in response to you.

Gulyana786

[John]

Yes I am married with british citizen.

Thank you for that confirmation. That being the case, you can apply now, but of course there are a few days in April 2010 when you cannot apply (because you were out of the UK for the comparable days in April 2007).

But I presume you will now be applying before the end of March anyway.

[Dr Logic]

Yes I am married with british citizen.

Thank you for that confirmation. That being the case, you can apply now, but of course there are a few days in April 2010 when you cannot apply (because you were out of the UK for the comparable days in April 2007).

But I presume you will now be applying before the end of March anyway.

Thanks John.
If I get citizenship I will invite you for dinner.

Kind Regard,

Dr Logic

[keshgrover]

Setm,

Please calm down. John have not said any thing wrong. He just said as it says on guidelines. And I fully agree with him. You guys need to understand he is one of them who have contributed a lot to this board and helped many of us.

I am sorry and not being rude but people on board need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out.

Regards

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

I bet half of people those read your answer to my reply DID NOT understood what chamcha-geree is? Even John.

I am warning you to be carefull to use such words against me next time. I am Indian too and I respect others with the same dignity as I expect them to have for me.

I tried to calm you down to get the situation resolve and you used such words on me. I am sorry to say but people like you spoil the image of such a decent country.

Good luck to you with your application and please DO NOT BOTHER to answer this time.

Mr or Miss Keshgrover!

Would you shut up plz. This is disucssion forum not a betting forum. I'm going through all the conversation. The matter is solved between setm, gulyana786 and john.

You really deserve the words said by gulyana786. Before I was thinking gulyana786 should not use that kind of word but now you prove it that you actually deserve that word even worst than that. How come you warn some one you silly cow? Gulyana786 is 110% right and I must appreicate him how quickly he recognized your typical mentality. You are a real CHAMCHA and a troble maker. Your kind of shit mentality holders are spoiling not only the indian image but whole humanity. Change your typical mantality. dont borther to reply again............... stay away if you can not anwer the questions.

Dr Logic

Dr Ill-logical, how dare you say that. your comments tell clearly how big you are with your brain. You are a small guy. Poor you.

[keshgrover]

Setm,

Please calm down. John have not said any thing wrong. He just said as it says on guidelines. And I fully agree with him. You guys need to understand he is one of them who have contributed a lot to this board and helped many of us.

I am sorry and not being rude but people on board need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out.

Regards

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

I bet half of people those read your answer to my reply DID NOT understood what chamcha-geree is? Even John.

I am warning you to be carefull to use such words against me next time. I am Indian too and I respect others with the same dignity as I expect them to have for me.

I tried to calm you down to get the situation resolve and you used such words on me. I am sorry to say but people like you spoil the image of such a decent country.

Good luck to you with your application and please DO NOT BOTHER to answer this time.

Well said Dr logic. I have a doubt keshgrover, are you really an indian? What sort of mentality you got? Now I can bet on your nationality? I am 100 percent sure you are not an indian....... you might have got indian nationality through your husband or other family member but you are not genion indian.

You are not only a chamchee but FATOORAN ( perosn how creates problem for others without any concern )as well.

setm

Setm,

You are doubting me been Indian I doubt on you now. How a sick head like you was allowed in the first place in this country. Your language and hate full comments shows how good family you belong to. Well you used the word FATOORAN, I think you know this word better as you belong to the FATOORAN family.

[keshgrover]

SHAM ON YOU keshgrover. u r putting fuel on fire. you can not be an indian?



Our India

You better stay off a*** l****.

[setm]

Keshgrover

I agree people on board including moderators need to understand first what some one is saying before they take their guns out. Most of time member gets confuse in that case moderators must understand them and explain the things very friendly and simple way that they can understand.

In case of john, he could not understand that question, if Im right, than he supposed to ask again.

I can not find his words '''''I mean just the ordinary English language meaning of those words. Nothing more, nothing less''''' on
any type of guidline.

I belive setm is right.you guys are wrong. You guys are doing chamcha-geree. Rather than solving this mess out you guys are supporting john like chamchaas or monsheez. Everyone is equal on this board if there's something wrong we all should fix it. Pls Pls Pls change your typical mentality and be an open mind person.

Regards

I bet half of people those read your answer to my reply DID NOT understood what chamcha-geree is? Even John.

I am warning you to be carefull to use such words against me next time. I am Indian too and I respect others with the same dignity as I expect them to have for me.

I tried to calm you down to get the situation resolve and you used such words on me. I am sorry to say but people like you spoil the image of such a decent country.

Good luck to you with your application and please DO NOT BOTHER to answer this time.

Well said Dr logic. I have a doubt keshgrover, are you really an indian? What sort of mentality you got? Now I can bet on your nationality? I am 100 percent sure you are not an indian....... you might have got indian nationality through your husband or other family member but you are not genion indian.

You are not only a chamchee but FATOORAN ( perosn how creates problem for others without any concern )as well.

setm

Setm,

You are doubting me been Indian I doubt on you now. How a sick head like you was allowed in the first place in this country. Your language and hate full comments shows how good family you belong to. Well you used the word FATOORAN, I think you know this word better as you belong to the FATOORAN family.

You are 3 in 1. I was wrong. You are not only Fatooran but Aflatoon and Kas-hoori as well. Your 3 in 1 comments clearly shows how fatoori and aflatoon family backaround you have. Ouf Allah, such a CHANDAAL aurat...

[our india]

SHAM ON YOU keshgrover. u r putting fuel on fire. you can not be an indian?



Our India

You better stay off a*** l****.

Wel said setm. We dont have this type of Chandaal women in india. She's khalahi-mukhlooq. The women who Fights and urgues with more than 1 man at one time is called Chandaal women (Like keshgrover). Am I right setm? Did I correctly define the term Chandaal?

[mochyn]

my brain hurts!