Hmm!!

[Papafaith]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 597499.stm

Is this not the way HSMP guys are already been treated? Like we are cockle pickers? Hmm!

Lets vote labour out.

[olisun]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 597499.stm

Btw it is not necessary the "white skinned" officers treat people from India or China badly...

Me and my wife have been treated badly by immigration officers of Indian origin.

Is this not the way HSMP guys are already been treated? Like we are cockle pickers? Hmm!

How are the 2 related??? The cockle pickers were / are forced into slavery by not the English people but gangs from China itself.

Lets vote labour out.

Do we have any immigrant friendly party in the UK?

[Papafaith]

Olisun, what will you call the enticement of skilled people to the Uk with a promise of settlement and after four years skim them out of the country after paying heavy taxes for four years.
in my opinion HO is not different from the Gangmasters.
There are parties that have honour even when they are not immigration friendly, i dont think the Tories will say come and then throw you out, instead they wwould not allow you come in the first place.
People sold properties, took life savings to come here. Only to be returned by retrospective laws.
Its not different Olisun.

[olisun]

Olisun, what will you call the enticement of skilled people to the Uk with a promise of settlement and after four years skim them out of the country after paying heavy taxes for four years.

People paying heavy taxes for 4 yrs will have no problems getting extension or ILR....

[Papafaith]

You dont seem to understand the issue here, the issue is that if HO have respect for us for our contribution to the UK like the Chinease and India business people complaining, they would not just bring laws that affect majority of us without consultation.
You will get extension, but will it be as promised (4yrs) or after 5yrs?
This is the core of the issue.

[olisun]

You dont seem to understand the issue here, the issue is that if HO have respect for us for our contribution to the UK like the Chinease and India business people complaining, they would not just bring laws that affect majority of us without consultation.
You will get extension, but will it be as promised (4yrs) or after 5yrs?
This is the core of the issue.

I do understand the issue here... But the way HO implemented the extension rule, they thought it would accepted by the majority.

But since it has almost backfired on them now, HO will try to map every clause in the original HSMP scheme against the refusals... For e.g. similary to what you call "promise" of settlement after 4yrs, I believe every applicant has to sign a declaration on the form that whatever information is provided in the applciation is true to the best of his / her knowledge...

Also was there any clause or statement in HSMP scheme that the applicants have to work in their chosen field?

[Papafaith]

I agree with you Olisun, totally agree. I know people came with fake docs etc, i know some people are not working in their chosen field, but the basis of extension then was economic activity, there was no performance index to determine if people where working in their chosen fields, so such people will still be covered by legitimate expectation.
The only trouble for people who used fake docs is that any year it is discovered that a particular person came in with fake docs, got ILR on the same basis and subsequently British citizenship, the Home Sec have powers to strip you of such.
So it is very dicey for those who came with fake docs.

[JAJ]

The only trouble for people who used fake docs is that any year it is discovered that a particular person came in with fake docs, got ILR on the same basis and subsequently British citizenship, the Home Sec have powers to strip you of such.

He might not even need these powers as if you were to be "granted" British citizenship based on a false ID it is arguably a nullity and could simply be treated as such if it ever came to light.

You can read about nullity in this section of the Nationality Instructions:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/docume ... iew=Binary

[olisun]

I agree with you Olisun, totally agree. I know people came with fake docs etc, i know some people are not working in their chosen field, but the basis of extension then was economic activity, there was no performance index to determine if people where working in their chosen fields, so such people will still be covered by legitimate expectation.
The only trouble for people who used fake docs is that any year it is discovered that a particular person came in with fake docs, got ILR on the same basis and subsequently British citizenship, the Home Sec have powers to strip you of such.
So it is very dicey for those who came with fake docs.

Actually one is not asked for experience letters when applying for ILR or BC.

So if the rules were to be reverted back to the old ones (extension on economic activity alone), the person who is not working in his chosen field due to whatever reasons (like filling shelves in Tesco's etc), will continue to do so and will not make an effort to find a job in his chosen field because the person knows that he / she is definitely going to get ILR.

And such a person will not hesitate to claim all kinds of benefits one the person gets ILR.

What the govt. should have done or should do is drop the re-assement rule for the extension and implement the same for ILR.

That way the people who have taken it lightly will know that they have to get their act together if they want ILR and HO will not make a fool of themselves.

[Rog]

Olison is absolutely right. The large section of unskilled persons who have entered UK on HSMP based on fake certificates are slogging away at manual "student" jobs in shops and hoping to become British citizens in 4 years on the basis of any economic activity and then claim benefits. These people are a problem to genuine skilled HSMP holders as well as the Home office. However the retrospective enforcement of law does not address this problem as it unfairly affects especially the older skilled migrants who fall below the new earning threshold. It is better to have a thorough evaluation before granting ILR. In 4 years a skilled person should be able to reach a skilled supervisory job role in the specific industry on which experience is claimed in the original HSMP application and this should be tested by Home Office before granting ILR.

[Papafaith]

Olisun, you are right, i agree, HO cant think and they wont open up avenues for sugestions. Yours is a brilliant sugesttion.