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Thanks Alish60 buddy, next week I will complete 3 months and start my 4th month of waiting. You are more likely to have your approval by the first week of March than me in all honesty, UKBA are turbo procesing fresh applications now, as long as your don't slip through the net, you should be okAlish60 wrote:hope BigSam and the rest who are waitimg, get their approval soon.
Hi,sphgb wrote:Application Timeline :
Eligibility criteria: 10 yrs + 1 yr ilr
Method of application: Post office
Date of application: 28 DEC 2012
Date of debit of fees: 12 jan 2013
Date of receipt of approval: 18 Feb 2013
Date of Ceremony: TBC
Congratulations Roney, I'm really happy for you, hope BigSam and the rest who are waiting, get their approval soon. Good Luck with passport application which is the last stage of your immigration journey.BigSam wrote:Roney... This is fantastic to hear buddy. congratulations!!!
I am stuck in a long journey from London heading up north and you just made my day by proving my analysis wrong. From all timelines I saw recently, I was getting the impression that once you've gone past four months, your application has fallen through the net and will need digging out by an MP or otherwise!!
Congratulations again buddy. Enjoy
IMO thats because for postal apps the UKBA lets applicants know if their application has been successfull when the documents are returned.kmore97 wrote:Myobservation is direct UKBA postal applications are faster than applications through NCS.I-L-R-2011 wrote:No news yet...still waiting ......!!! I don't know whats happening in UKBA some ppl got approval in 12-17 days time and some are still waiting even after 8 monthsphysku wrote:Any updates on your side. I applied same day as you but received ackw dated one day later. I see that some one who applied on 23 Jan already received their approval. Looks like NCS is taking more time ...I-L-R-2011 wrote:Eligibility criteria: 5 years HSMP(JR)/Tier1 + 1 year ILR
Method of application: NCS Aldershot
Date of application: 24 January 2013
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25 January 2013 (Royal mail tracking)
Method of Payment : Credit card
Date of debit of fees: 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of acknowledgement: 01/02/2013 (dated 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of approval:TBC
Date of Ceremony: TBC
Myobservation is direct UKBA postal applications are faster than applications through NCS.I-L-R-2011 wrote:No news yet...still waiting ......!!! I don't know whats happening in UKBA some ppl got approval in 12-17 days time and some are still waiting even after 8 monthsphysku wrote:Any updates on your side. I applied same day as you but received ackw dated one day later. I see that some one who applied on 23 Jan already received their approval. Looks like NCS is taking more time ...I-L-R-2011 wrote:Eligibility criteria: 5 years HSMP(JR)/Tier1 + 1 year ILR
Method of application: NCS Aldershot
Date of application: 24 January 2013
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25 January 2013 (Royal mail tracking)
Method of Payment : Credit card
Date of debit of fees: 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of acknowledgement: 01/02/2013 (dated 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of approval:TBC
Date of Ceremony: TBC
15 months from 20 Feb 2012 which would be 20 May 2013, if your ILR application was protracted by the UKBA.inzi2k wrote:Hi all,
Can anyone let me know when to apply for naturalization?
I came to UK on 20 Feb 2002
Completed 10 years in UK and applied for ILR on 20 Feb 2012
ILR received on 20 Aug 2012
ILR issue date 15 Aug 2012 and expiry date 20 Feb 2022
I understand that I need to complete 1 year before I apply for naturalization BUT I don' know that when will this 1 year gets complete!!
Would I apply for naturalization on 20 Feb 2013 or 20 Aug 2013 ?
Thanks
No news yet...still waiting ......!!! I don't know whats happening in UKBA some ppl got approval in 12-17 days time and some are still waiting even after 8 monthsphysku wrote:Any updates on your side. I applied same day as you but received ackw dated one day later. I see that some one who applied on 23 Jan already received their approval. Looks like NCS is taking more time ...I-L-R-2011 wrote:Eligibility criteria: 5 years HSMP(JR)/Tier1 + 1 year ILR
Method of application: NCS Aldershot
Date of application: 24 January 2013
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25 January 2013 (Royal mail tracking)
Method of Payment : Credit card
Date of debit of fees: 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of acknowledgement: 01/02/2013 (dated 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of approval:TBC
Date of Ceremony: TBC
Alish60 wrote:Congratulations, well done ukba, hope you do everyone's as fast as this ones.jp1007 wrote:Eligibility criteria: 5yr workpermit plus 1 year ILR
Method of application: Postal
Date of receipt by UKBA: 23 Jan 13
Date of debit of fees: 28 Jan 13
Date of receipt of acknowledgement: 31 Jan 13
Date of receipt of approval: 6 Feb 13
Date of Ceremony: 26 Feb 13
Any updates on your side. I applied same day as you but received ackw dated one day later. I see that some one who applied on 23 Jan already received their approval. Looks like NCS is taking more time ...I-L-R-2011 wrote:Eligibility criteria: 5 years HSMP(JR)/Tier1 + 1 year ILR
Method of application: NCS Aldershot
Date of application: 24 January 2013
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25 January 2013 (Royal mail tracking)
Method of Payment : Credit card
Date of debit of fees: 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of acknowledgement: 01/02/2013 (dated 29/01/2013
Date of receipt of approval:TBC
Date of Ceremony: TBC
from what you put on I still understand it needs to be a guilt, or maybe I am wrong, it says " you must stick to the principle of innocent until proven guilty", I mean if the charge was dropped, then it is a different story, it was dropped, but if they can prove someone has done something wrong and he or she is founded guilty but with less sentence because of lack of evidence then they can refuse. I know where you are coming from, then again like what you said "there is no definition of good character in nationality law" therefore their hands are open to do whatever they like,rod_p wrote:You are correct in what you say. However, again I must state you will find a lot of points that seem to be ambiguous. Some parts of a doc will say one thing and other parts or other docs will form a contradiction.Alish60 wrote: ...onlyconcern should be conviction or caution etc, not aaccusations or even charges without conviction. Am I wrong?
This is the related link:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... ch18annexd
On the surface, it would seem that "no criminal convictions = naturalisation now". However, if you read the documentation and witness the plight of many of this forum's members, it is not so simple. UKBA does state on their website "there is no definition of good character in nationality law". Clearly ambiguous.
On page 44 of the document I pointed you to, it states:
The consequences of the person’s actions. Involves looking at the offence the person has committed. The person does not need to be convicted for specifically causing a particular offence which makes them culpable to the criminal standard, for example, they commit a serious offence but convicted of a lesser one because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt they were guilty of the more serious offence. Instead, you must look at the consequences
And, later on page 80, it states:
However, although you must stick to the principle of innocent until proven guilty, insufficient evidence to bring a case to court does not prevent you refusing the application. This is because the standard of proof is lower for a refusal under character and/or conduct grounds.
Sorry Mr. sarwar74 for engaging in this debate. However, some members have the tendency to be very stressed about slow approvals and some of what myself and Mr. Alisha are discussing are relevant and perhaps helpful to those who encounter prolonged approvals. If the moderators can move this debate to a more suitable location, then great - I agree with that decision as I understand the importance of this thread to those that is is mainly aimed at.
You are correct in what you say. However, again I must state you will find a lot of points that seem to be ambiguous. Some parts of a doc will say one thing and other parts or other docs will form a contradiction.Alish60 wrote: ...onlyconcern should be conviction or caution etc, not aaccusations or even charges without conviction. Am I wrong?
This is the related link:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... ch18annexd
Thanks for the explanation, well I have to disagree with you, I am pretty sure the caseworker does not care about "what your neighbours say" as an example, even if he cares and want, he still can't refuse your application because of minor things like that. If you read the "Annex D" good character requirements, page 10 underneath 4.1.5 it clearly says **caseworkers should not asume the applicant to be guilty of a charge itself under any circumstances"" we all know a neighbour's report is less serious than an actual charge, so if even a charge on it's own means notting, then the onlyconcern should be conviction or caution etc, not aaccusations or even charges without conviction. Am I wrong?rod_p wrote:The caseworker's guidance docs are written by civil servants for civil servants to try to clarify laws that are sometimes ambiguous. If you read them, you will find a lot of points that still seem to be ambiguous ( like the one you just highlighted ).Alish60 wrote: From what you explaiend I understand they may not even do the PNC check if there is no evidence to show the applicant may have criminal conviction. If that is correct, what do they mean by evidence? Is it the self declaration on application form? Or maybe I am wrong and they do the check for everyone! !
However, my interpretation ( and belief ) from reading the doc is a PNC is done for everybody ( of course, no CRB is ever done - you will see no mention of it in the doc ).
The PNC is made up of quite a collection of information that includes all information the police have ever compiled about you including "intelligence" which may well be wrong. If for example, your neighbor stated you were growing drugs in your back garden, that would be recorded - even if the plant happened to be turnips ( but the police never bothered to check ). The sum of all the information ( "balance of probabilities" as it's stated in various docs ) is what is used to decide your naturalisation case.
BigSam, yes the certificate is in Leeds, at least that's what they told me. I am trying to arrange a private ceremony with them as the public one is at the end of March. They have been absolutely a pain in the ***. Now I have postponed my travel to the Netherlands resulting in a lot stress and financial loss.BigSam wrote:hi emmigrator123,
Did you find your certificate at Leeds then? I just spoke to my council and they said they don't have anything for me!