Obie wrote:This is quite a disproportionate responce. Touched a nerve have i. It seems like your years at that failed department, thanks to Mr Shatters who is seeking to reform it, has had an adverse impact on you. It seems like you forgot your sense of humour in the drawer when you left, or the amount of immigrant and IBC application cases you had to deal with made you a very angry person.
Firstly there is a clear distinction between a black person and an african person. It will be right to say most african people are black, but not all african people are black. African by definition are people who are from the African continent. This could be a white South African, or an Asian south African or Ugandan. But with that narrow minded lovely mindset of yours, i am not surprised you took offence. I was never intending to stir up a facial debate, just seeking to be friendly.
I don't agree with you that African people have a chip on their shoulder. As far as i can see, it is you that has a chip on his shoulder, constantly talking about Nigerian people abusing asylum an IBC scheme, when people were simply abiding by the Law of the land. Advocating that the Nigerian woman, who married to the Irish guy and has children by him should be removed. Thanks to Zambrano, your wishes did not come true.
I don't support marriages of convenience, and there is no evidence or indication from any of my post that i contract it.
Linking people up has wider meaning than your narrow mind will lead you to believe. Pimps control prostitutes they sell them for financial gains. I never suggested that. I was simply seeking to lighten up your dull life.
I wish your future wife all the best. Perhaps she should have a look at some of your post , so she is aware what she is letting herself in to.
You should know that once a person is considered a community worker and found to have a right under Article 39 now Article 45 TFEU, she can invoke any provision that were implemented to ensure this rights is realised without any deterance.
Do you know what the word disproportionate means? You made a number of comments which I responded to in full,
"seems like you forgot your sense of humour in the drawer when you left, or the amount of immigrant and IBC application cases you had to deal with made you a very angry person."
There is nothing humourous of tossers making issues of the colour of their skin , especially if trying to proof a point,
when its uncalled for./Unnessary. Don't enter a debate or discussion if one is going to resort to it, unless you are attacked on that basis. No one likes people who have rediculous delusions of self righteousness and demands everything when they are not entitled to same.
Lets not get all high horses,shall we,
"Firstly there is a clear distinction between a black person and an african person. It will be right to say most african people are black, but not all african people are black. African by definition are people who are from the African continent. This could be a white South African, or an Asian south African or Ugandan. But with that narrow minded lovely mindset of yours, i am not surprised you took offence. I was never intending to stir up a facial debate, just seeking to be friendly. "
Where did I lump blacks and Africans together and suggest Black people are the only people in Africa? (Others come from sunny climates like Carribaenan and USA) , my last post stated that there are many EU citizens who are black and that some are of the African Community. Why was there a need to make a comment about one's colour. Could you not have simply said girl? I note that you were being humourous, and looking from a funky sign about a bar in another post, it was clear that humour was imputted.
Considering that there is still a strong white Irish - British community in South Africa and South African Business, which I have to frequent quite a bit, wow, well done , only for your genuis, imagine I would never have known that. Before making statements suggesting bigatory how about thinking before you typing such statements.
"I don't support marriages of convenience, and there is no evidence or indication from any of my post that i contract it
Linking people up has wider meaning than your narrow mind will lead you to believe. Pimps control prostitutes they sell them for financial gains. I never suggested that. I was simply seeking to lighten up your dull life."
Ah no, not at all and I really was not suggesting it. Hence why I put a winking emocticon on. I was being a sacrastic smart arse there and did not intend to offend. As you have suggested in your earlier post, where has your sense of humour gone? The pimp bit was intended to be a back hand compliment actually , like your man in Starky and Hutch (though, now come to think of it, I think he was a full on pimp). A bit childish.
Link up? Nah I am a "hook up", "scope", "sting up" or "organise" man meself
"don't agree with you that African people have a chip on their shoulder. As far as i can see, it is you that has a chip on his shoulder, constantly talking about Nigerian people abusing asylum an IBC scheme, when people were simply abiding by the Law of the land. Advocating that the Nigerian woman, who married to the Irish guy and has children by him should be removed. Thanks to Zambrano, your wishes did not come true."
Ah no, for most part Africans are sound. But that was only a question for you to last respond, and the response of others over the history of this thread and the criticism of non eu people regarding immigration laws. Moore Street you get some interesting characters. The Ghanian are decent crowd, seem most relaxed. But some people, are just ridiculous.
But there are people on this site who are Africans and they do act like they have a chip on their shoulder when they don't like hearing something they do not like.
I was asked whether I thought the Old Immigration Bill was Fair. I say, in
some parts, the parts that may happen to concern you, I said yes, I have explained why I think it is fair. I was told by one poster that I was "condeming Muslims". I asked what they meant by that, as expected, no response.
The IBC is one of the main reasons why its fair. The Irish actually (use to)pride them selves on being the land of a thousand welcomes, and people were and are still royally pissed off that that welcome was abused , in most cases. Can you deny that there was a bit of a baby boom/ I brought it up as
I was actually asked whether I think the Immigration Bill was fair. The person who asked also said "and no lying".
The IBC issue is very relevant as many of the cases before the High Court and many cases (which posters have regularly pointed out) involving those who were deported mostly involved fathers of children who never came over during the IBC 05 scheme, but later. They now rely on Zambrano. I was criticised for taking the opposite view on Zambrano. I explained why I was critical of it; 1 - IBC & 2. Interference of the ECJ in internal matters
When I am asked something, I will answer.
So, it is incorrect to suggest that I raise that thorny issue unprovoked and
its only a response to the hysterical horror raised by people about the cases of deported parents, some who clealy were not that bothered about their kids (ie people who came over much later leaving the mother alone in the State). It merely has been a line of defence raised by the State in every case since, from Lobe, Bode, Dimbo, the State submissions in Chen and the State's Submissions in Zambrano. And, it would have been used by the State if the pending cases where still going to be challenged - albeit in a far politier way.
You never answered the questions put forward. Do you think that it was correct for people who intentionally used the asylum system to make a "better life" and intentionally told lies about their countries. If you came to Ireland via work permit and tolerated alot of crap which these people did tolerate, how would you feel to learn that your neighbour, who happens to be from the same country as you, told the Irish authorities alot of lies about your country? I would love to see your reaction if the shoe was on your foot.
As for taking offence, hardly, I have long gave you on taking people like you seriously.
"I wish your future wife all the best. Perhaps she should have a look at some of your post , so she is aware what she is letting herself in to. "
thanks. Getting herself into what?mortage, children lol. People in Ireland want people not to abuse our system and enter Ireland correctly and leave when they are no longer entitled to stay. Hardly a new thing.Neither is it contraversial, well it is as people like R&R and self interest groups prevent such discussions (fair enough if it means that idiots like BNP and Immigration Platform won't get heard) but it was an issue that needs to be discussed. Ah, but you want to prattle on that its dearly beloved to have such views? Go knock yourself out sure.
Dull Life? I really wish it was, never get time to myself. Life of boring airports, taxis, trains are not nice. Oh well , hit 40 in a decade and a bit and boring golf course or a game of cards, oh yes.
If she saw the INIS and GNIB files of some, I think she would be far far worse. Somehow, there is little to suggest that she or many others would be objected to. Maybe the manner in which it can be expressed, but, eye for an eye and rudeness for rudeness is what I always say.,
Something would tell me she would think I am jolly odd for helping my non eu friends and acquintances if I was the type of person you insinuate.
I think we should get back on topic. You want to discuss this, PM, instead.
