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Post by Obie » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:11 pm

Meats you are a great and young guy like myself, but sometimes i have to confess your abhorrent views on immigrant causes me deep concern.

The government is already imposing draconion measures on immigrant, they have used all the power at their disposal to make life difficult for them, and to make them feel unwelcomed, they simply cannot do any more, except writing to all legally resident non-Caucasian telling them, they have to leave immediately or get themselves physically expelled.

There is a concept in EC law called freedom of movement, which the UK has signed up to. We live in a mobile and globalise society, and you have to understand that, you just can't impose mobility restriction. It is simply impossible.

One thing the UK can do , is implement something like the Australia White Policy, which might appease people like you, but it will bring the UK into disrepute and people will see the UK for truely what it is, which i don't think you will like, would you?

Meat i believe we have to focus on the things that unites us rather than the ones that separates us. I am sure there are lots of positives that one can dig up about immigrants, if one works towards it, rather than this toxic, border line racially motivated overtone, which helps no one, does it?
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Post by meats » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:35 pm

Obie wrote:Meats you are a great and young guy like myself, but sometimes i have to confess your abhorrent views on immigrant causes me deep concern.

The government is already imposing draconion measures on immigrant, they have used all the power at their disposal to make life difficult for them, and to make them feel unwelcomed, they simply cannot do any more, except writing to all legally resident non-Caucasian telling them, they have to leave immediately or get themselves physically expelled.

There is a concept in EC law called freedom of movement, which the UK has signed up to. We live in a mobile and globalise society, and you have to understand that, you just can't impose mobility restriction. It is simply impossible.

One thing the UK can do , is implement something like the Australia White Policy, which might appease people like you, but it will bring the UK into disrepute and people will see the UK for truely what it is, which i don't think you will like, would you?

Meat i believe we have to focus on the things that unites us rather than the ones that separates us. I am sure there are lots of positives that one can dig up about immigrants, if one works towards it, rather than this toxic, border line racially motivated overtone, which helps no one, does it?
Not enough is being done on immigration Obie which is why the BNP have any support in the first place. A recent poll showed that their popularity had increased from 1 point to 3 since the European elections. To put that into context the Tories are in the 30s and Labour are in the 20s. No idea about the Lib Dems but at a guess late teens to earlier 20s. There has to be a reason for their support trebling in a few months. They are saying what a lot of people want to hear, namely an end to immigration and leaving the EU. How do the Lib-Lab-Con triumverate combat this? They should say something about immigration instead of brandishing the BNP as dearly beloved and hoping that they go away. If they don't want a BNP MP come next year then one of them needs to do something about immigration.

As Griffin has said he doesn't intend kicking anybody out who is here legally. I suggest that the people who think that he would do actually have a read of his policies. They're actually quite surprising and i think that you'd be rather surprised by what he has to say. But then again i don't expect that the majority will do because they'd rather believe what the press say instead of doing their own research.

Obie, where do you get the impressions that i don't want any non-whites in the UK? Wanting a control on immigration doesn't mean that i'm dearly beloved. What i, and lots of other people, are fed up with is the lack of immigration control in this country and how easy it is for our borders to be exploited. You have sham colleges, you have people setting up 'business' so that they can extend their visa, you have immigrants bringing over their extended families etc. You have our culture being eroded almost to the point where it's an offence to celebrate anything English.

I wonder whether the fascist UAF will be marching next week against the Islam4UK protest where they want Sharia law in the UK and protested Wilders' visit with placards saying 'Freedom can go to hell', 'Islam will dominate the world', 'Islam is the solution, freedom is the problem' etc. When people see placards like that then is it any wonder that the BNP gain extra voters? And before you chirp up with well anyone can protest, yes indeed they can, provided that they don't provoke violence or promote hatred. Now, i don't know about you but most people will find those placards just as offensive as Griffin. Yet they are ignored, why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5_RtXQpFFA

Have a watch and you can see for yourself re the above.

And yes Obie mobility restrictions can be applied and i'm sure that they will be applied by the Tories once they are in power. Whilst EU migration cannot be stopped, non-EU migration can be stopped and it wouldn't surprise me if another opt out is arranged from the EU restricting migration in some form.

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Post by Obie » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:45 pm

Just watched Question Time and seen Nick, or shall i say Dick Griffins being hammered. He was crushed to dust.

Meat what do you think. That was not a good performance. I am not very impressed. I am not sure about you.
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Post by meats » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:51 pm

Obie wrote:Just watched Question Time and seen Nick, or shall i say Dick Griffins being hammered. He was crushed to dust.

Meat what do you think. That was not a good performance. I am not very impressed. I am not sure about you.
What did you expect? The main point about his party getting the support that it has done about immigration was proven though. I personally think that Straw came out of tonight a lot worse off than Griffin did, with the Tories candidate coming out very well and the Lib Dems behind her.

Had Question Time been about the BNP's policies then it might've been different, however they seemed hell bent on his past and considering the amount of heckling he got and interruptions he handled himself very well. Either way, the BNP would've gained extra voters after today.

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Post by Obie » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:50 am

I think the only thing that was proven is that Nick is a muppet, with little or no education or qualifications attached to his name.

His appearance resembles that of a frightened virgin, or a headless chicken.

Couldn't answer simple questions, could not answer why he denied the holocust or the reason for his change of policy. Doesn't seem to have much believe in his policy. Seem like a conman, who intend to use subtle words to get in, once in power, implement his abhorrent policies.

The guy doesn't know what genocide means? how unbelievable.

Seemed to have backed down on his belief that 2 generation citizens of migrant should be forcibly repatriated.

Meat i am sure man, that after tonight you will be truly dissappointed and seriously considering withdrawing your membership, or maybe not.
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Post by meats » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:04 am

Obie, when you are involved in a stitch-up we'll see how well you handle yourself. Considering that all they did was talk about his past and not about his party's policies he handled himself well. When you are stitched-up to that extent of course you're going to look bad, whether you are Nick Griffin or the Queen, you will look bad. That said, Jack Straw came out a lot worse than Griffin despite not being under constant attack and avoiding the question of how his party's immigration policy has fuelled support in the BNP.

A lot of the questions he wasn't allowed to answer without being interrupted or heckled. As i said in my previous reply, the BBC missed a golden opportunity of challenging his party's policies instead they were on a mission to drag up his past for most of the show. As per the genocide one, he gave the answer as per the UN definition, maybe you didn't hear that as the Tory candidate was talking over him at the time? And he hasn't actually said in his party's policy that anyone here legally would be removed, another myth from the media. I guess you are right about the media dumbing down after all Obie.

Obie, why would i withdraw my membership? There's no membership to withdraw in the first place and i am fed up with left wing hippies like yourself saying that everyone who disagrees with the left wing stance on immigration is a right wing dearly beloved. I suggest that you and others who use the word 'dearly beloved' willy nilly brush up on its meaning and learn to use it in the correct manner.

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Post by Obie » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:16 pm

One would certainly be excused for calling, or thinking you are a BNP member or sympthiser, considering your general conduct and the relentless defensive position you have taken on the BNP's behalf.

Your talk about asian, muslims, your deep intolerance and unequovical disdain for people of different ethnicity are all symbols of BNP allegiance, wouldn't you say.

You ingest and regurguitate all those gobbledygook or gibberish from BNP newsletter into the forum, offend and annoy people, and don't want people to infer or deduce you are a supporter of the named organisation, how queer.

I am sure people are not upset with individuals who take a "Control Migration" position, what people are upset about is your desire to see the contributing and gainfully employed migrant, who contribute immensley to the society in which you live, being punished, or disrespected.

For someone who has lived overseas like yourself, i find it quite astounding that you could carry such view about migrant , not "Control Migration", which is a legitimate debate topic.

And please don't hide those distasteful beliefs about immmigrant under the guise of "Control Migration", it is not a nice thing to do.

They say show me your friend and i will tell you your character. If you think Nick's policy are worth discussing and his performance was much better than Jack Straw, whose position i perfectly understood than the former, then i shall say no more on this.

The facts speaks for themselves.
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Post by meats » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:31 pm

Obie wrote:One would certainly be excused for calling, or thinking you are a BNP member or sympthiser, considering your general conduct and the relentless defensive position you have taken on the BNP's behalf.
And what is wrong with saying that i can see where the BNP are coming from and why they are gathering support? It's clear for anyone with half a brain to see why they are getting the support that they're getting. You can say the same about yourself, how you relentless support uncontrolled immigration when that is one of the reasons for BNP gaining support.
Obie wrote:Your talk about asian, muslims, your deep intolerance and unequovical disdain for people of different ethnicity are all symbols of BNP allegiance, wouldn't you say.
Please show me where i have talked about my 'deep intolerance and unequiovical disdain for people of different ethnicity'. I await my apology. Talking about asians and muslims doesn't mean that i support the BNP, if they did then i guess that everyone in the country would be supporting the BNP as well.
Obie wrote:You ingest and regurguitate all those gobbledygook or gibberish from BNP newsletter into the forum, offend and annoy people, and don't want people to infer or deduce you are a supporter of the named organisation, how queer.
Again, please show me where i have done this. What i object to is people encouraging others to break the UK laws on this forum. I guess that must make me a BNP member too eh? Christ, you really are a lot stupider than i thought Obie.
Obie wrote:I am sure people are not upset with individuals who take a "Control Migration" position, what people are upset about is your desire to see the contributing and gainfully employed migrant, who contribute immensley to the society in which you live, being punished, or disrespected.
Nope, i want to see controlled immigration in place. People here legally and working and contributing aren't the issue, it is people here illegally and not integrating that is the problem. Again, common sense Obie, something that you appear to be severely lacking.
Obie wrote:For someone who has lived overseas like yourself, i find it quite astounding that you could carry such view about migrant , not "Control Migration", which is a legitimate debate topic.
Yes i have lived abroad, where controlled immigration was in force and the number of migrants were capped per visa. This is what should happen here. However people like you don't seem to think that there should be a cap on immigration.
Obie wrote:And please don't hide those distasteful beliefs about immmigrant under the guise of "Control Migration", it is not a nice thing to do.
If you're going to call me a dearly beloved Obie, which is effectively what you've done, then go and find some proof of it and show me where i've been dearly beloved.
Obie wrote:They say show me your friend and i will tell you your character. If you think Nick's policy are worth discussing and his performance was much better than Jack Straw, whose position i perfectly understood than the former, then i shall say no more on this.
The fact that you think that Jack Straw had a good performance last night said it all. A lot of people disagree with you on that and likewise a lot of people wanted to hear Griffin's policies and views on the postal strikes, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, social cohesion etc instead we get to hear about the Ice Age. I guess you do not want to hear about his policies Obie because he actually touches on matters which normal MPs are too scared to touch on for fear of their career.
Obie wrote:The facts speaks for themselves.
Indeed they do Obie, it shows that you are a fascist.

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Post by MAKUSA » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:12 pm

Obie wrote:One would certainly be excused for calling, or thinking you are a BNP member or sympthiser, considering your general conduct and the relentless defensive position you have taken on the BNP's behalf.

Your talk about asian, muslims, your deep intolerance and unequovical disdain for people of different ethnicity are all symbols of BNP allegiance, wouldn't you say.

You ingest and regurguitate all those gobbledygook or gibberish from BNP newsletter into the forum, offend and annoy people, and don't want people to infer or deduce you are a supporter of the named organisation, how queer.

I am sure people are not upset with individuals who take a "Control Migration" position, what people are upset about is your desire to see the contributing and gainfully employed migrant, who contribute immensley to the society in which you live, being punished, or disrespected.

For someone who has lived overseas like yourself, i find it quite astounding that you could carry such view about migrant , not "Control Migration", which is a legitimate debate topic.

And please don't hide those distasteful beliefs about immmigrant under the guise of "Control Migration", it is not a nice thing to do.

They say show me your friend and i will tell you your character. If you think Nick's policy are worth discussing and his performance was much better than Jack Straw, whose position i perfectly understood than the former, then i shall say no more on this.

The facts speaks for themselves.
Please Obie ignore this dearly beloved fool, Britain would never be an all white country meat, tell that to your pops Nick Griffin, this site is for immigration advice not a BNP support club, stick you and your dearly beloved brethren were the sun dont shine. Retarded Moron

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Post by meats » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:55 am

First-Class Moron wrote:
Obie wrote:One would certainly be excused for calling, or thinking you are a BNP member or sympthiser, considering your general conduct and the relentless defensive position you have taken on the BNP's behalf.

Your talk about asian, muslims, your deep intolerance and unequovical disdain for people of different ethnicity are all symbols of BNP allegiance, wouldn't you say.

You ingest and regurguitate all those gobbledygook or gibberish from BNP newsletter into the forum, offend and annoy people, and don't want people to infer or deduce you are a supporter of the named organisation, how queer.

I am sure people are not upset with individuals who take a "Control Migration" position, what people are upset about is your desire to see the contributing and gainfully employed migrant, who contribute immensley to the society in which you live, being punished, or disrespected.

For someone who has lived overseas like yourself, i find it quite astounding that you could carry such view about migrant , not "Control Migration", which is a legitimate debate topic.

And please don't hide those distasteful beliefs about immmigrant under the guise of "Control Migration", it is not a nice thing to do.

They say show me your friend and i will tell you your character. If you think Nick's policy are worth discussing and his performance was much better than Jack Straw, whose position i perfectly understood than the former, then i shall say no more on this.

The facts speaks for themselves.
Please Obie ignore this dearly beloved fool, Britain would never be an all white country meat, tell that to your pops Nick Griffin, this site is for immigration advice not a BNP support club, stick you and your dearly beloved brethren were the sun dont shine. Retarded Moron
ah the little man has returned. I would answer your post little man but you just have your own little agenda and only hear what you want to hear. How's your father? He still beating you little man?

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