Consultation on changes to employment-related settlement

Mayan12 · Post by **Mayan12** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:02 am

"Home Secretary Theresa May will today announce new rules stating that migrants working in the UK must earn at least £35,000 a year if they want to stay longer than five years."

Source: DailyMail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/2 ... ght-settle

rbk1597 · Post by **rbk1597** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:40 am

From the statements already leaked, this seems to affect EVEN those who are ALREADY here under the points-based system.

dishadharmang · Post by **dishadharmang** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:58 am

rbk1597 wrote:From the statements already leaked, this seems to affect EVEN those who are ALREADY here under the points-based system.

Where did you get the statements ? are you talking about
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/2 ... ght-settle ?

dishadharmang · Post by **dishadharmang** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:22 am

dishadharmang wrote:
rbk1597 wrote:From the statements already leaked, this seems to affect EVEN those who are ALREADY here under the points-based system.
Where did you get the statements ? are you talking about
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/2 ... ght-settle ?

What are your views on :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17204297

barker · Post by **barker** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:24 am

rbk1597 wrote:From the statements already leaked, this seems to affect EVEN those who are ALREADY here under the points-based system.

What statements???

barker · Post by **barker** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:43 am

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/comm ... ration.pdf

Push has just posted this link, I do not know how to link to a post so am inserting the link instead.

This is a big relief!!!!

rbk1597 · Post by **rbk1597** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:59 am

http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/siteco ... settlement

Sheffield_Marketeer · Post by **Sheffield_Marketeer** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:08 pm

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... settlement

Sheffield_Marketeer · Post by **Sheffield_Marketeer** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:14 pm

Very Interesting, I am quite eager to find out how the rules are actually spelt out. Interesting that they are planning a 6 year limit to for Tier 2 with a cooling off period of a year. Almost looks like they are 'too afraid' to take a drastic step of removing a Tier 2 employee out of the country altogether.

Post by **Greenie** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:33 pm

Sheffield_Marketeer wrote:Very Interesting, I am quite eager to find out how the rules are actually spelt out. Interesting that they are planning a 6 year limit to for Tier 2 with a cooling off period of a year. Almost looks like they are 'too afraid' to take a drastic step of removing a Tier 2 employee out of the country altogether.

I think it is more about trying to prevent tier 2 migrants accruing 10 years leave under that category and thus applying for ILR under the long residence rules rather than being too afraid to remove a tier 2 employee from the country all together.

Agastya80 · Post by **Agastya80** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:37 pm

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio ... ettlement/

Documents published with more details

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:43 pm

Greenie wrote:
Sheffield_Marketeer wrote:Very Interesting, I am quite eager to find out how the rules are actually spelt out. Interesting that they are planning a 6 year limit to for Tier 2 with a cooling off period of a year. Almost looks like they are 'too afraid' to take a drastic step of removing a Tier 2 employee out of the country altogether.
I think it is more about trying to prevent tier 2 migrants accruing 10 years leave under that category and thus applying for ILR under the long residence rules rather than being too afraid to remove a tier 2 employee from the country all together.

Is there any otehr consultation going on which would cap/restrict the ILR applicants on basis of 10 year rule?

Am i right to assume that they are not tackling the issue of ILR based on 10 year rule at all in this consultation/statement of intent?

thanks

Sheffield_Marketeer · Post by **Sheffield_Marketeer** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:16 pm

arsenal49

The 10 year rule hasnt been in the focus yet, let's hope it remains that way

madona587 · Post by **madona587** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:32 pm

Sheffield_Marketeer wrote:arsenal49

The 10 year rule hasnt been in the focus yet, let's hope it remains that way

Lets hope so

I'm happy with the new rule changes. 6 years and 35K for settlement. Not a bad deal

About time Home office has done something towards the genuine skilled migrants.

sojan · Post by **sojan** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:50 pm

I feel its better than expected decision.
Full details here
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio ... ettle-wms/

We will apply the new settlement pay threshold to Tier 2 migrants applying for settlement from April 2016. To provide certainty for migrants and employers, we will hold the threshold at £35,000 until April 2018. We will confirm the threshold for 2018-19 next year and review it annually thereafter.

We intend to leave the settlement rules for Tier 1 migrants unchanged. These arrangements, for investors, entrepreneurs and those of exceptional talent, were put in place as recently as 2011 and are consistent with welcoming the high value individuals the UK needs to drive economic growth.

But what is the 6 year stuff? So does that mean slowly they are moving from 5yrs settlement to 6 years?

Post by **push** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:17 pm

sojan wrote:But what is the 6 year stuff? So does that mean slowly they are moving from 5yrs settlement to 6 years?

No, that relates to those Tier(2) holders who do not qualify for ILR due to the new pay threshold.

Nanjing612 · Post by **Nanjing612** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:37 am

so this means if one came to london tomorrow and started working, and wanted to apply for settlement in 2017, for example, he would have to be making at least 24K at that time, yes? but after april of this year it would need to be 35?

rbk1597 · Post by **rbk1597** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:03 am

All thse changes a just a gimmick, They are completely useless.
* The Tier 2 holder will have to be paid at leats £35k AT THE TIME OF SETTLEMENT APPLICATION.
* This effectively means that a new immigrant worker, irregardless of how much the earn when they join Tier 2 will MOST LIKELY qualify for settlement in 2017 provided that, by that time they earn at £35k (which is almost a certainity given the rate of inflation, unless if they are not in a skilled job)
* Take for e.g. someone joining Tier 2 with the most common Tier 2 Salary of £28k, its not unreasonable to expect that they will be earning £35k after six years.
* Given that, they have actually stated that this threshold will be FIXED till 2018 (Thus ruling out any changes before then) This then does not deter anyone wishing to come via Tier 2.
* Although, in any case Tier 2 applications are decreasing, these changes in themselves do no spel anything new nor do the make any significant effect to this category, this is just political posturing by an overzealous politically depressed *ychotic.
* Lastly, what will stop employers and migrant workers from coniving to ONLY INCREASING SALARY on the LAST 3 MONTHS BEFORE SETTLEMENT APPLICATION?? I bet we will see a mirade of applicants with £35001 salaries from Jan 2017.
Some will actually arrange to have their employers pay them at that level, for 3 months, only for the purposes of settlement application, then will have that increment deducted from their normal salary once their application has come through.

Aryan2013 · Post by **Aryan2013** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:08 pm

I agree with rbk1597, these changes are for the Daily Mail reader’s, talking tough but when it comes to action, well, no action at all.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

dms_sbs · Post by **dms_sbs** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:11 pm

[quote="rbk1597"]All thse changes a just a gimmick, They are completely useless.

I think these changes are still enough especially in such unstable economic climate and salaries deductions. Current economic climate is still hobbling.

arsenal49 · Post by **arsenal49** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:31 pm

and if Labour gets into power before 2017!... they will abolish it thus making a mockery of this whole mindless policy changes aimed at those who are significantly contributing towards the economy anyway...

"Downwards is the way forward" it seems as far as this govt. is concerned

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