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Seagul, on the same web site it’s written IELTS for UKVI is suitable as well. It can be Academic or general but should be IELTS for UKVI.seagul wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:24 amcheck below official ielts test explanation in easy language:
https://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/ie ... ielts-ukvi
You didn't read again properly again. Academic/general is for undergraduates/postgraduate students. Anyway see new refusal on same basis.Katie_France wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:53 amSeagul, on the same web site it’s written IELTS for UKVI is suitable as well. It can be Academic or general but should be IELTS for UKVI.seagul wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:24 amcheck below official ielts test explanation in easy language:
https://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/ie ... ielts-ukvi
https://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/ielts-ukvi/score
If thats what you feel you must do then so be it, we have spent at least over £5000 for all of this including application and solicitor fees so we are not in a position (financially) to marry and reapply and pay all those fees again!! and we don't want to marry in his country, we have a right to marry in UK and because of their negligence and ignorance to what documents were sent we have no choice but to fight them.Katie_France wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:07 amBallmigirl17, at this point I don't think that the decision can be overturned without an appeal. MP sent a letter to HO, but only God knows when they reply. We are not ready to be stuck in limbo for 6-12 month, so the only way out for us really is to marry and reapply... Very sadBallmigirl17 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:39 pmHi Katie
I hoped it can be overturned without an appeal, but it’s not looking that way right now for me so who knows! it is awful and I honestly don’t know how they are not penalized for it!! There’s nothing more frustrating than having to wait for others to fix their mistakes![]()
Ballmigirl17, yes, absolutely feel same way... paying all these fees, and than getting a rejection because of their negligence is harsh... the worst is that no one is responsible and they feel ok to play with people’s life.Ballmigirl17 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:23 am
If thats what you feel you must do then so be it, we have spent at least over £5000 for all of this including application and solicitor fees so we are not in a position (financially) to marry and reapply and pay all those fees again!! and we don't want to marry in his country, we have a right to marry in UK and because of their negligence and ignorance to what documents were sent we have no choice but to fight them.
My MP said that they allow 20 days for a response from the UKVI/Home office, which she received 2 weeks ago and i cant even begin to tell you the contradicting response she had received. makes me really question how these people are employed! so if the MP has written a letter you will usually get a response within 20 days, if not she can escalate (not sure what this means!)
I wish you all the best i really do![]()
@Ballmigirl17, we have decided to get married, and we are having the ceremony booked for the 5th of February. We will have a family and friends party in the UK, when I will be able to go there. We decided not to appeal, just not to be stuck in the unknown limbo for 6-12 month. It is also useless to appeal, as soon as we decided to get married, so it will be only a waste of 80-140 gbp, not a crucial amount in the whole situation, but still.Ballmigirl17 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:33 pmYep Our solicitor said the same to marry and reapply, reasons being you actually have more rights when you are married than you do when you are just partners/fiance (god knows why!) What I don't understand about this is that we will submit all the same documents we have already submitted - the only different thing is that we have a marriage certificate, so if they couldn't look at all the supporting information the first time I do not have faith in them to do their job properly!!
but again like i said it is costly and we have too many commitments in the UK, British born people don't know how lucky they are to be able to get married where they want without a problem.
Please let me know what you decide to do, and the outcomes and also the time process as I am quite interested to see how long they are taking with other people. there was a post on here a few weeks back a lady's visa was refused for stupid reasons (again they ignored documents in front of their face!) and her fiance appealed, and the decision was overturned in a month!! if you like I will keep you updated with mine xx
hussaincute, yes, it is a very sad story at such an expensive cost (time and money). I submitted my documents in Paris, and they scanned my documents. I had Priority application - took 43 business days.hussaincute wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:16 pmHi, I am so sorry to hear your situation. Did you use scan and send service or did you send your original documents direct to sheffield? Also, you mentioned that you didn't write UKVI number during your online application. I guess this might have been the cause as they tend to run the UKVI number on application in their system to confirm whether the test is UKVI or not. When booking your IELTS for UKVI, did you mention the purpose as 'immigration'? I read in several other IELTS based rejections, they mentioned that IELTS for UKVI should give reason as 'immigration' when sitting the test.
That's sadKatie_France wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 pmYesterday on the 43d business day of Priority Fiance Visa Application I received a refusal.
Rejection letter (which was attached to the Decision made email)
Dear ***
Your human rights claim in an application for entry clearance made on 16/11/2017 is
refused.
What this means for you
You can appeal this decision. Instructions on how to appeal are in the ‘next steps’ section
of this letter.
The reasons for this decision are set out on the next page.
Yours sincerely
REASONS FOR REFUSAL
On 16/11/2017 you made an application for entry clearance to the UK under Appendix
FM to the Immigration Rules on the basis of your family life with your partner ***
Your application has been considered under those Rules, and with reference to Article 8
of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The relevant Immigration Rules
can be viewed on gov.uk here: www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules.
This decision takes into account as a primary consideration the best interests of any
relevant child in line with section 55 of the Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Act
2009.
We have considered your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1. of Appendix FM.
However, you do not qualify for entry clearance under the 5-year partner route for the
following reasons:
Suitability
Your application does not fall for refusal on grounds of suitability under Section S-EC of
Appendix FM.
Eligibility
Under paragraph EC-P.1.1.(d) you do not meet all of the eligibility requirements of
Section E-ECP of Appendix FM for the following reasons:
Eligibility Relationship Requirement
You meet the eligibility relationship requirement of paragraphs E-ECP.2.1. to 2.10.
Eligibility Financial Requirement
You meet the eligibility financial requirement of paragraphs E-ECP.3.1. to 3.4.
Eligibility English Language Requirement
You do not meet the eligibility English language requirement of paragraphs E-ECP.4.1. to
4.2. because:
You are not exempt from the English language requirement under paragraph E-ECP.4.2.
In addition, you are not a national of a majority English speaking country listed in
paragraph GEN 1.6 and have not passed an English language test (A1 Level of Common
European Framework) with a provider approved by UKVI and/or do not hold an academic
qualification recognised by NARIC UK to be the equivalent to the standard of a
Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK, which was taught in English. You have also not provided any details that there are any exceptional compassionate
circumstances that would prevent you from meeting the English language requirement.
In support of your application you have provided an IELTS General Training certificate issued on 04/06/2016; however this which is not an English language test which is approved by the Secretary of State for the purposes of settlement. Every English language test taken on or after 6 April 2015 by a partner or parent applicant must meet the new requirements in respect of the approved tests, providers and secure test centres offered by Trinity College London or the IELTS SELT Consortium.
I therefore refuse your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1(d) of Appendix FM of the Immigration Rules. (E-ECP.4.1)
Exceptional Circumstances
MUST We have considered, under paragraphs GEN.3.1. and GEN.3.2. of Appendix FM
as applicable, whether there are exceptional circumstances in your case which could or would render refusal a breach of Article 8 of the ECHR because it could or would result in unjustifiably harsh consequences for you or your family. In so doing we have taken into account, under paragraph GEN.3.3. of Appendix FM, the best interests of any relevant child as a primary consideration.
You have provided no information or evidence to establish that there are any exceptional circumstances in your case.
Refusal under the Partner Rules
In light of the above, your application is refused under paragraph D-ECP.1.3.of Appendix FM with reference to paragraph EC-P.1.1.(d) and you do not qualify for entry clearance on the 5-year partner route, or on the 10-year partner route on the basis of exceptional circumstances, under Appendix FM.
NEXT STEPS
RIGHT OF APPEAL
You have 28 days from the date you receive this decision to appeal. Information on how to appeal, the appeal process and the fees payable are all available online at:
https://www.gov.uk/immigration-asylum-t ... ide-the-uk
If you want to seek legal advice you must do so now.
IMMIGRATION HEALTH SURCHARGE
If you have paid the Immigration Health Surcharge it will be refunded. You may need to pay again if any appeal is successful.
Members don't have the privilege of the PM facility until they have contributed 30 posts on the forum, and you have only 4.nasreen baji wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:18 pmThat's sadKatie_France wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 pmYesterday on the 43d business day of Priority Fiance Visa Application I received a refusal.
Rejection letter (which was attached to the Decision made email)
Dear ***
Your human rights claim in an application for entry clearance made on 16/11/2017 is
refused.
What this means for you
You can appeal this decision. Instructions on how to appeal are in the ‘next steps’ section
of this letter.
The reasons for this decision are set out on the next page.
Yours sincerely
REASONS FOR REFUSAL
On 16/11/2017 you made an application for entry clearance to the UK under Appendix
FM to the Immigration Rules on the basis of your family life with your partner ***
Your application has been considered under those Rules, and with reference to Article 8
of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The relevant Immigration Rules
can be viewed on gov.uk here: www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules.
This decision takes into account as a primary consideration the best interests of any
relevant child in line with section 55 of the Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Act
2009.
We have considered your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1. of Appendix FM.
However, you do not qualify for entry clearance under the 5-year partner route for the
following reasons:
Suitability
Your application does not fall for refusal on grounds of suitability under Section S-EC of
Appendix FM.
Eligibility
Under paragraph EC-P.1.1.(d) you do not meet all of the eligibility requirements of
Section E-ECP of Appendix FM for the following reasons:
Eligibility Relationship Requirement
You meet the eligibility relationship requirement of paragraphs E-ECP.2.1. to 2.10.
Eligibility Financial Requirement
You meet the eligibility financial requirement of paragraphs E-ECP.3.1. to 3.4.
Eligibility English Language Requirement
You do not meet the eligibility English language requirement of paragraphs E-ECP.4.1. to
4.2. because:
You are not exempt from the English language requirement under paragraph E-ECP.4.2.
In addition, you are not a national of a majority English speaking country listed in
paragraph GEN 1.6 and have not passed an English language test (A1 Level of Common
European Framework) with a provider approved by UKVI and/or do not hold an academic
qualification recognised by NARIC UK to be the equivalent to the standard of a
Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK, which was taught in English. You have also not provided any details that there are any exceptional compassionate
circumstances that would prevent you from meeting the English language requirement.
In support of your application you have provided an IELTS General Training certificate issued on 04/06/2016; however this which is not an English language test which is approved by the Secretary of State for the purposes of settlement. Every English language test taken on or after 6 April 2015 by a partner or parent applicant must meet the new requirements in respect of the approved tests, providers and secure test centres offered by Trinity College London or the IELTS SELT Consortium.
I therefore refuse your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1(d) of Appendix FM of the Immigration Rules. (E-ECP.4.1)
Exceptional Circumstances
MUST We have considered, under paragraphs GEN.3.1. and GEN.3.2. of Appendix FM
as applicable, whether there are exceptional circumstances in your case which could or would render refusal a breach of Article 8 of the ECHR because it could or would result in unjustifiably harsh consequences for you or your family. In so doing we have taken into account, under paragraph GEN.3.3. of Appendix FM, the best interests of any relevant child as a primary consideration.
You have provided no information or evidence to establish that there are any exceptional circumstances in your case.
Refusal under the Partner Rules
In light of the above, your application is refused under paragraph D-ECP.1.3.of Appendix FM with reference to paragraph EC-P.1.1.(d) and you do not qualify for entry clearance on the 5-year partner route, or on the 10-year partner route on the basis of exceptional circumstances, under Appendix FM.
NEXT STEPS
RIGHT OF APPEAL
You have 28 days from the date you receive this decision to appeal. Information on how to appeal, the appeal process and the fees payable are all available online at:
https://www.gov.uk/immigration-asylum-t ... ide-the-uk
If you want to seek legal advice you must do so now.
IMMIGRATION HEALTH SURCHARGE
If you have paid the Immigration Health Surcharge it will be refunded. You may need to pay again if any appeal is successful.![]()
Actually, I'm going through the same situation now a days and literally I'm unable to decide whether to take ielts lifeskills or just apply my visa on the base of academic test. :/ If you could do me a favour, can you please send me your ielts result in PERSONAL MESSAGE so that i can confirm my result pattern is same or not!
Secondly, what type of English language details you had mentioned in your application? I mean you wrote the reference number+ukvi number etc in ur application?
Your spot on with English test issue, one of my friend made the same terrible mistake and end up paying another fees but this time selected IELTS for Life test instead of IELTS UKVI test, I can see number of people making this mistake it's very sad.seagul wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:49 amYou didn't read again properly again. Academic/general is for undergraduates/postgraduate students. Anyway see new refusal on same basis.Katie_France wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:53 amSeagul, on the same web site it’s written IELTS for UKVI is suitable as well. It can be Academic or general but should be IELTS for UKVI.seagul wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:24 amcheck below official ielts test explanation in easy language:
https://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/ie ... ielts-ukvi
https://takeielts.britishcouncil.org/ielts-ukvi/score
immigration-for-family-members/my-spous ... 48078.html
32B wrote:Where the decision-maker has:
(a) reasonable cause to doubt that an English language test in speaking and listening at a minimum of level A1 or A2 (as the case may be) of the Common Framework of Reference for Languages relied on at any time to meet a requirement for limited leave to enter or remain in Part 8 or Appendix FM was genuinely obtained; or
(b) information that the test certificate or result awarded to the applicant has been withdrawn by the test provider for any reason,
the decision-maker may discount the test certificate or result and require the applicant to provide a new test certificate or result from an approved provider which shows that they meet the requirement, if they are not exempt from it.
Appendix FM section 1.21: English language requirement wrote:Under paragraph 32B of Appendix FM-SE, when a decision maker has:
(a) reasonable cause to doubt that an English language test in speaking and listening at a minimum of level A1 of CEFR relied on at any time to meet a requirement for limited leave to enter or remain in Part 8 or Appendix FM or Appendix Armed Forces was genuinely obtained; or
(b) information that the test certificate or result awarded to the applicant has been withdrawn by the test provider for any reason, they may discount the document or result and the applicant must provide a new test certificate or result from an approved provider which shows that they meet the requirement if they are not exempt from it.
The Immigration Rules in Appendix FM-SE do not set out a timescale for when an applicant must provide a new test certificate or result where requested by the decision-maker, who should allow the applicant a reasonable amount of time to take another test.
It is thus in the nature of the Immigration Rules that they include no over-arching implicit purposes. Their only purpose is to articulate the Secretary of State’s specific policies with regard to immigration control from time to time, as to which there are no presumptions, liberal or restrictive. The whole of their meaning is, so to speak, worn on their sleeve…
i.e. If the applicant didn’t submit a correct test, then a decision maker has reasonable cause to doubt that the appropriate correct test was genuinely obtained.a decision maker has reasonable cause to doubt that an English language test in speaking and listening at a minimum of level A1 or A2 (as the case may be) of the Common Framework of Reference for Languages relied on at any time to meet a requirement for limited leave to enter or remain in Part 8 or Appendix FM was genuinely obtained
From their policy guidance above:the decision-maker may discount the test certificate or result and require the applicant to provide a new test certificate or result from an approved provider which shows that they meet the requirement, if they are not exempt from it.
D.(b)they may discount the document or result and the applicant must provide a new test certificate or result from an approved provider which shows that they meet the requirement if they are not exempt from it.
The Immigration Rules in Appendix FM-SE do not set out a timescale for when an applicant must provide a new test certificate or result where requested by the decision-maker, who should allow the applicant a reasonable amount of time to take another test.
If the only reason for the refusal was a suspect English test, then a fair and sensible ECO/caseworker would have given the applicant an opportunity to provide other specified evidence.(ii) Has not submitted a specified document,
the decision-maker may contact the applicant or his representative in writing or otherwise, and request the document(s) or the correct version(s). The material requested must be received at the address specified in the request within a reasonable timescale specified in the request.
HU071822015 & Ors. [2017] UKAITUR HU071822015 (14 August 2017) wrote:This appeal came before me for an error of law hearing on 19 July 2017. I found an error of law in the decision of the First tier Tribunal, which I append. The parties agreed I could re-make the decision without the need for an oral hearing, but with the assistance of written submissions, which I have now received.
2. The only issue outstanding, it now being accepted that the Appellants meet the financial requirements of the Rules, is whether the Entry Clearance Officer erred in failing to contact the first Appellant to request an English language certificate from an approved provider, in line with the principle of evidential flexibility. This is now set out in Appendix FM SE, the relevant provisions of which are as follows: ...
...
6. In Mandalia [2015] UKSC 59, their Lordships held at [35]-[36]:...[35]. In one sense every request by a caseworker for further evidence would have been "speculative" but what was there in Mr Mandalia's application to render a request to him more "speculative" than any other? Was there not, at the very least, doubt, the benefit of which should have been given to him?
Answer
[36]. I conclude that the answer to the question identified in para 1 above is "yes": the agency's refusal of Mr Mandalia's application was unlawful because, properly interpreted, the process instruction obliged it first to have invited him to repair the deficit in his evidence."
11. I find that an English language test certificate is a "specified document." Whilst an English language test certificate was submitted with the application made on 3 April 2015, it was not the "correct version" given that the provider was no longer on the approved list. I find that the Appellants fall squarely with the evidential flexibility policy and that the Entry Clearance Officer's failure to apply the policy was not in accordance with the law, as it was not in accordance with her policy.
nasreen baji, sorry for the late response. I also don't know what to do really. But just last week, a friend of mine (Russian), received her spouse visa. She submitted IELTS for UKVI Academic test.nasreen baji wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:18 pm
That's sad![]()
Actually, I'm going through the same situation now a days and literally I'm unable to decide whether to take ielts lifeskills or just apply my visa on the base of academic test. :/ If you could do me a favour, can you please send me your ielts result in PERSONAL MESSAGE so that i can confirm my result pattern is same or not!
Secondly, what type of English language details you had mentioned in your application? I mean you wrote the reference number+ukvi number etc in ur application?
Hi KatieKatie_France wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:07 amWell, that just means that my caseworker wasn’t sensible... I still have a few days to appeal, but I don’t think there is any sense in that, as we got married and I am a wife now.
No response from MP yet as well...
Agree. A fiancé visa wouldn't be applicable for a spouse now.Katie_France wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:07 amWell, that just means that my caseworker wasn’t sensible... I still have a few days to appeal, but I don’t think there is any sense in that, as we got married and I am a wife now.
No response from MP yet as well...
I was told that spouse visas are more likely to get accepted, just because you have more rights when you are married (which is silly!), but yes please keep us updated!Katie_France wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:52 amThank you so much vinny and Ballmigirl17
Hope the second time will be the last one... I will keep everyone posted about my further progress