Retaining Right of Residence following Divorce

[Pakhtoon]

I am not judging. Just curious. Marry an EEA girl, cope with it for 4-5 years, get permanent residence, say good-bye to the girl. Convenient isn't it ??

[datuchi]

Mate, there you are again with you smug comments... asking "dumb" questions as if you can't read for yourself what the thread is about. Caught you out again, haven't I... I did have a reason to have a go at you in the other thread and it's a SHAME that the moderators turn a blind eye to what is happening... you provoke people to have reactions to your stupid comments. Innocent till proven guilty, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing in this particular thread which warrants your disrespectful comments... I wish someone answered: "yes, as a matter of fact, it is the very thread you suggested, what then?"

Archigabe, mate, have a word, will you? I am only maintaining my cool not to get banned otherwise I would have poured all sorts over you... inwarsaw.

Is this thread the one for those non-EEA guys who married EEA wives and after 4-5 years, are now in the process of divorcing ?

[Pakhtoon]

Mate, there you are again with you smug comments... asking "dumb" questions as if you can't read for yourself what the thread is about. Caught you out again, haven't I... I did have a reason to have a go at you in the other thread and it's a SHAME that the moderators turn a blind eye to what is happening... you provoke people to have reactions to your stupid comments. Innocent till proven guilty, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing in this particular thread which warrants your disrespectful comments... I wish someone answered: "yes, as a matter of fact, it is the very thread you suggested, what then?"

Archigabe, mate, have a word, will you? I am only maintaining my cool not to get banned otherwise I would have poured all sorts over you... inwarsaw.

Is this thread the one for those non-EEA guys who married EEA wives and after 4-5 years, are now in the process of divorcing ?

Looks like I have touched the nerve.

[datuchi]

If I'm on thin ice for my comments, you should be under thick one, you annoying little dearly beloved saddo.

Mate, there you are again with you smug comments... asking "dumb" questions as if you can't read for yourself what the thread is about. Caught you out again, haven't I... I did have a reason to have a go at you in the other thread and it's a SHAME that the moderators turn a blind eye to what is happening... you provoke people to have reactions to your stupid comments. Innocent till proven guilty, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing in this particular thread which warrants your disrespectful comments... I wish someone answered: "yes, as a matter of fact, it is the very thread you suggested, what then?"

Archigabe, mate, have a word, will you? I am only maintaining my cool not to get banned otherwise I would have poured all sorts over you... inwarsaw.

Is this thread the one for those non-EEA guys who married EEA wives and after 4-5 years, are now in the process of divorcing ?

Looks like I have touched the nerve.

[nanaaddo80]

Hi inwarsaw,
I'll appreciate it very much if you dont use my thread for unjustified and silly comments.If you have no relevant contribution to make just dont write anything.BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WARNED

[Pakhtoon]

If I'm on thin ice for my comments, you should be under thick one, you annoying little dearly beloved saddo.

Mate, there you are again with you smug comments... asking "dumb" questions as if you can't read for yourself what the thread is about. Caught you out again, haven't I... I did have a reason to have a go at you in the other thread and it's a SHAME that the moderators turn a blind eye to what is happening... you provoke people to have reactions to your stupid comments. Innocent till proven guilty, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing in this particular thread which warrants your disrespectful comments... I wish someone answered: "yes, as a matter of fact, it is the very thread you suggested, what then?"

Archigabe, mate, have a word, will you? I am only maintaining my cool not to get banned otherwise I would have poured all sorts over you... inwarsaw.

Is this thread the one for those non-EEA guys who married EEA wives and after 4-5 years, are now in the process of divorcing ?

Looks like I have touched the nerve.

.....yawns

[Pakhtoon]

Hi inwarsaw,
I'll appreciate it very much if you dont use my thread for unjustified and silly comments.If you have no relevant contribution to make just dont write anything.BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WARNED

contribution ? what kind of ? advise on how to dodge the system for example ?

to you and datuchi, warning me to stop posting my thoughts here....there is a thing called freedom of speech and expression. Get real sirs.

[cabarete]

Is this thread the one for those non-EEA guys who married EEA wives and after 4-5 years, are now in the process of divorcing ?

for a senior member of a forum dedicated to advise inmigrants that come here to live, you sure are helpful.

now, mister what would you do? after you travel half around the world to meet someone you love and after 4-5 years as you say, get divorced?....

you could go home, of course,

HOWEVER

you can also stay here LEGALLY

without asking anything for free to anyone

and that is what we're doing here

[Pakhtoon]

for a senior member of a forum dedicated to advise inmigrants that come here to live, you sure are helpful.

I am a senior member ?? thanks for the complement

now, mister what would you do? after you travel half around the world to meet someone you love and after 4-5 years as you say, get divorced?....

First of all, if my travelling around half of the world as you said, was for being with the love of my life, then what on earth could kill this love as quick as in 4-5 years ?

I don't see any reason unless of course, I get married with the intention of being married for 4-5 years.

you could go home, of course,
HOWEVER

you can also stay here LEGALLY

Sure. No wonder then more and more locals of UK and Ireland are fed up with their immigration.

[cabarete]

so now you're a marriage advisor as well?

i won't waste my with you, so i'll just leave it at that

enjoy poland or wherever you live, inmigrant free as you clearly hope

[Pakhtoon]

so now you're a marriage advisor as well?

i won't waste my with you, so i'll just leave it at that

enjoy poland or wherever you live, inmigrant free as you clearly hope

I wish I was marriage advisor, I would be a rich man. And I am immigrant myself so why would I be for 'immigrant-free' or something ??

My only question is, why does love finish after 4-5 years ? first people come and say they are all in love, want to marry, live together bla bla......after 4-5 years they come and say they are done with love, relationship and the sort and want divorce AND retain the visa status in UK OR IRELAND...

Funny isn't it ??

[Trent]

First of all, if my travelling around half of the world as you said, was for being with the love of my life, then what on earth could kill this love as quick as in 4-5 years ?

You clearly don't have much experience in relationships. Could this explain your bitterness? Or could you just be trolling? I suspect the latter which is why I would advise others just ignore this attention seeker.

[Pakhtoon]

First of all, if my travelling around half of the world as you said, was for being with the love of my life, then what on earth could kill this love as quick as in 4-5 years ?

You clearly don't have much experience in relationships. Could this explain your bitterness? Or could you just be trolling? I suspect the latter which is why I would advise others just ignore this attention seeker.

You are right, I don't have any experience in 'relationship for visa', the one which people in this thread seem to have had just to keep their asses in UK and Ireland.

I am not bitter by the way, just skeptical and would like to know how can people be this much pathetic to ruin someone's life for securing their immigration status.

[Trent]

You are right, I don't have any experience in 'relationship for visa', the one which people in this thread seem to have had just to keep their asses in UK and Ireland.

I am not bitter by the way, just skeptical and would like to know how can people be this much pathetic to ruin someone's life for securing their immigration status.

Don't put words in my mouth. Your accusations are unfounded, you have no proof.

Every couple has ups and downs, people change, circumstances evolve, sometimes there is no middle ground anymore. Do you think every relationship is rosey-eyed and all beautiful from beginning to end? If that is what a relationship means to you then I think you need to stay in your Peter-pan book. But I don't think you are that obtuse really, just trying to get a reaction.

Your sentiment of revulsion could be justified in those cases where it is true, and yes there must exist some. But you can't accuse people without evidence.

[Pakhtoon]

Don't put words in my mouth. Your accusations are unfounded, you have no proof.

Every couple has ups and downs, people change, circumstances evolve, sometimes there is no middle ground anymore. Do you think every relationship is rosey-eyed and all beautiful from beginning to end? If that is what a relationship means to you then I think you need to stay in your Peter-pan book. But I don't think you are that obtuse really, just trying to get a reaction.

Your sentiment of revulsion could be justified in those cases where it is true, and yes there must exist some. But you can't accuse people without evidence.

Proof ? I never said I am here to prove anything. I just don't understand why the people, relationship, circumstances change after 4-5 years of marriage ??

Such marriages are supposed to be of far more speciality since, apparently, you don't care about the huge cultural, religious, social and lifestyle differences because 'you are in love'.

But once the permanent residence is reached, the love gets punctured.

Too simple to be true.

[Trent]

Proof ? I never said I am here to prove anything. I just don't understand why the people, relationship, circumstances change after 4-5 years of marriage ??

So you admit to making baseless accusations.

Nothing has changed in your life in 4-5 years? Must be pretty boring!

Such marriages are supposed to be of far more speciality since, apparently, you don't care about the huge cultural, religious, social and lifestyle differences because 'you are in love'.

How long do marriages last where the issues you list do not exist? Surely by your very own line of reasoning, you can see why there would be MORE pressure on a relationship. I think you're losing focus here, time to pack your bags and troll somewhere else?

[Pakhtoon]

So you admit to making baseless accusations.

I didn't accuse anyone. I am just curious !

Nothing has changed in your life in 4-5 years? Must be pretty boring!

Haha so according to your reasoning, people should change wives to make their life interesting ????

How long do marriages last where the issues you list do not exist? Surely by your very own line of reasoning, you can see why there would be MORE pressure on a relationship. I think you're losing focus here, time to pack your bags and troll somewhere else?

By saying this you are actually supporting my view. If there is possibility of "more pressure" on such marriages, why do marry in the first place ?? ( to secure visa )

[Trent]

You are right, I don't have any experience in 'relationship for visa', the one which people in this thread seem to have had just to keep their asses in UK and Ireland.

I didn't accuse anyone. I am just curious !

That looks like an accusation to me.

Haha so according to your reasoning, people should change wives to make their life interesting ????

Changing circumstances and people growing in different ways, you're deliberately misinterpreting what I am saying.

By saying this you are actually supporting my view. If there is possibility of "more pressure" on such marriages, why do marry in the first place ??

Because you love them? Is that a strange concept for you? Or does their marriage have to comply with your actuarial risk tables before you can accept it as bona fide?

[Pakhtoon]

So you are telling me you fall in love, you get married, stay for 4-5 years,
your circumstances change AFTER your immigration status is safe and then divorce. Thats very convenient isn't it ??

You are talking loud about relationships but you are forgetting a thing called commitment, without which no relationship can work.

Its a different question though whether you are committed to the person or to the EU passport.

[Ben]

Give over inwarsaw, would you? It's getting tiresome now.

[Trent]

So you are telling me you fall in love, you get married, stay for 4-5 years,
your circumstances change AFTER your immigration status is safe and then divorce. Thats very convenient isn't it ??

You can look at it cynically or you can realise that sometimes it just happens that way. There are also cases where there is a progressive wearing down of the relationship over a longer period of time. And also, I hope, many more that continue to function well all the way to the end.

You are talking loud about relationships but you are forgetting a thing called commitment, without which no relationship can work.

Yes, absolutely. And I agree with you that there are marriages that lack commitment and there are frivolous divorces. But in those cases where there was a genuine commitment and despite that, it truely did not work, they have to be able to seperate and retain their rights without being accused of trying to take advantage no? Surely you cannot argue with that?

Rest assured the government is doing all in its power to prevent people trying to take advantage.

Its a different question though whether you are committed to the person or to the EU passport.

Yes, I understand your point, and I understand that a small minority of applicants have arranged marriages of convenience. Do you understand that there are cases where there is no foul play and that you cannot distinguish them from where you are now? You can't accuse people without proof. It's offensive.

[datuchi]

+1!!!

Inwarsaw, if you had a forum named "anti-immigration" then your thoughts would probably be welcome, but this is not the place to prophesise your ignorant views. If one listens to you, then there simply can't be genuine break ups within 3-5 years of marriage? They must either end within the first month, or long after acquiring PR? Or, to avoid your nasty comments, everyone should probably pm you proof of sincerity and after clearing your "immigration control" may they post on this forum?

Yes, maybe ONE OF the factors of staying an extra year with someone IS to be able to secure the right, however, this doesn't mean the intention had been there before the marriage! You simply cannot accuse decent people of anything without solid grounds. It's the same as me accusing you of something when you have a genuine problem, WITHOUT ANY PROOF.

The issue with the couples nowadays is that even when they buy property... noone thinks about how, if at all they would split it if, god forbid, there is a break-up. But, the land registration form clearly envisages this and asks those people buying jointly to state whether they wish to be entered as 50-50 or according to each other's contribution.

Now, imagine that a husband says: "I don't intend to divorce, I love my wife, BUT just in case- enter 70%-30% ". Clearly this would sour the relationship.

Same with the immigration. Many people get married for money, others for good private/night life, and there are people who take into consideration the immigration status or cooking skills etc. Everyone's marriage then is a marriage of convenience, there is no such thing as blind love. You love someone for CONVENIENCE whichever form it takes.

The legislators have envisaged the situation where marriages would break
down and how to deal with those people. What makes you think they hadn't thought it through, but you are the smart-mule who caught cheating little immigrants out and think everyone around you is dumb?

I will repeat this again, I got a slap on the wrist for telling you off before, but as this thread shows, you deserved every single phrase and word I called you and I'd repeat them but for the fear of being banned.

Archigabe and other moderators are like police, who rarely display common sense. If there is a swearing word then they will act, if it's indirect slender, it's ok- it's freedom of speech...

Let me tell you about freedom of speech briefly- why do you think people go to jail for exercising this freedom of speech in the form of "inciting facial hatred"? Because there is a flipping limit to it! You can't cover up behind this freedom as everyone is responsible for their words and actions.
My telling you to shut your mouth is the same "freedom of expression" as yours to accuse people of being cheats, however, I have grounds and reasons backed by proof of your insolence, whereas you ain't got jack to support your presumptions.

As I told you in previous posts, either keep quiet or help people with advice through whatever experience you have attained. If you were a decent person, you would admit that you are in the wrong and probably would gain respect from everyone by doing so, rather than trying to protect your dim view.

And if not, then I think without the moderators support I cannot prevent you from posting whatever nonsense you wish, so as benifa said, it's getting tiresome...

So you are telling me you fall in love, you get married, stay for 4-5 years,
your circumstances change AFTER your immigration status is safe and then divorce. Thats very convenient isn't it ??

You can look at it cynically or you can realise that sometimes it just happens that way. There are also cases where there is a progressive wearing down of the relationship over a longer period of time. And also, I hope, many more that continue to function well all the way to the end.

You are talking loud about relationships but you are forgetting a thing called commitment, without which no relationship can work.

Yes, absolutely. And I agree with you that there are marriages that lack commitment and there are frivolous divorces. But in those cases where there was a genuine commitment and despite that, it truely did not work, they have to be able to seperate and retain their rights without being accused of trying to take advantage no? Surely you cannot argue with that?

Rest assured the government is doing all in its power to prevent people trying to take advantage.

Its a different question though whether you are committed to the person or to the EU passport.

Yes, I understand your point, and I understand that a small minority of applicants have arranged marriages of convenience. Do you understand that there are cases where there is no foul play and that you cannot distinguish them from where you are now? You can't accuse people without proof. It's offensive.

[Pakhtoon]

Inwarsaw, if you had a forum named "anti-immigration" then your thoughts would probably be welcome, but this is not the place to prophesise your ignorant views.

I am an immigrant myself so your calling me anti-immigrant is rather hilarious.
You can call my views ignorant if you wish, thats your freedom of speech.

If one listens to you, then there simply can't be genuine break ups within 3-5 years of marriage? They must either end within the first month, or long after acquiring PR?

I am not talking about marriage, I am talking about marriage of convenience which is a fraud and utterly disgusting. Marriages do break, more often here in the west since its rather a part of this culture, no problem with that. The problem is with using a poor soul, ruining her life to achieve the pathetic objective of securing a damn EU passport.

Or, to avoid your nasty comments, everyone should probably pm you proof of sincerity and after clearing your "immigration control" may they post on this forum?

Why not ? you can start by sending me your story first.

Yes, maybe ONE OF the factors of staying an extra year with someone IS to be able to secure the right, however, this doesn't mean the intention had been there before the marriage!

If I go to a bank for something, while being there I notice there is no security and I can get away with a bundle of cash and I actually do it, will the law spare me ? I didn't go to the bank with the intention of robbing it.

You simply cannot accuse decent people of anything without solid grounds. It's the same as me accusing you of something when you have a genuine problem, WITHOUT ANY PROOF.

I haven't accused anyone.

The issue with the couples nowadays is that even when they buy property... noone thinks about how, if at all they would split it if, god forbid, there is a break-up. But, the land registration form clearly envisages this and asks those people buying jointly to state whether they wish to be entered as 50-50 or according to each other's contribution.

Now, imagine that a husband says: "I don't intend to divorce, I love my wife, BUT just in case- enter 70%-30% ". Clearly this would sour the relationship.

....yawns

Same with the immigration. Many people get married for money, others for good private/night life, and there are people who take into consideration the immigration status or cooking skills etc. Everyone's marriage then is a marriage of convenience, there is no such thing as blind love. You love someone for CONVENIENCE whichever form it takes.

You conveniently forgot to mention EU passport as the reason for getting married.

The legislators have envisaged the situation where marriages would break
down and how to deal with those people. What makes you think they hadn't thought it through, but you are the smart-mule who caught cheating little immigrants out and think everyone around you is dumb?

Thats very kind of the legislators but I have to remind you again, such legislation is for marriages, not for marriages of convenience i.e. divorcing to take the benefit of the same legislation.

I will repeat this again, I got a slap on the wrist for telling you off before, but as this thread shows, you deserved every single phrase and word I called you and I'd repeat them but for the fear of being banned.

Glad to see you are being forced to stay civil.

Let me tell you about freedom of speech briefly- why do you think people go to jail for exercising this freedom of speech in the form of "inciting facial hatred"? Because there is a flipping limit to it!
You can't cover up behind this freedom as everyone is responsible for their words and actions.

Don't bring politics in here. Open a new thread for that if you want to discuss.

My telling you to shut your mouth is the same "freedom of expression" as yours to accuse people of being cheats,

Be my guest.

As I told you in previous posts, either keep quiet or help people with advice through whatever experience you have attained. If you were a decent person, you would admit that you are in the wrong and probably would gain respect from everyone by doing so, rather than trying to protect your dim view.

...yawns

And if not, then I think without the moderators support I cannot prevent you from posting whatever nonsense you wish, so as benifa said, it's getting tiresome...

...yawns

P.S Sincere Apologies to Benifa....

[datuchi]

...Token: "You just don't get it!"

[Pakhtoon]

...Token: "You just don't get it!"

Apologies. I respect your opinion but I have my own.