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@nilemarques, if you flip over to page 77 of this document under the section "Amendments to the family and private life rules"nilemarques wrote:@ hatchsead. Don't quite have my thinking cap on this morning!! Is this an amendment in the rules? Could you expand a little bit more! Thanks!hatchsead wrote:Private life
7.45 An amendment to the private life rules will narrow the circumstances in which a child under the age of 18 can apply for leave to remain on the grounds of private life to those circumstances in which it would not be reasonable to expect the child to leave the UK
It's a good one , a bit lengthy though...lolhatchsead wrote:TAKE TIME TO READ. It's worth reading it. Trust me
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
P.S.
I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you?
Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.
By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
@kukuwife, I must confess that you have driven home the point with precision, SPOT ON!Kukuwife wrote:Hello hatchsead, Nile and all.
Thanks for all the useful contributions to the forum and also on the discussions of various issues relating to immigration in particular private life and family life applications.
I have the following suggestions: I think it is important now that when making either new application, reconsideration, PAP, and JR All the points as suggested by hatchsead need to be address either by you or by the solicitor.
Most importantly article 8 should be raised even when it is not necessary.
From most of the court judgements: the judges have concluded that the rule must stay but when the case failed on the rule, the case should be consider on article 8 itself. Which means it is a two stage test.
I read the other day that someone was refused on the terms that" they make the application when they have overstay or they don't have a valid leave to remain when the application was made" Such a statement is unnecessary because of the following "Persons who cannot satisfy the requirements for the ‘five year’ family route, but who are seeking to remain in the UK on the basis of their right to private and family life under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (for example, a visa overstayer with family in the UK), must now satisfy new requirements set out in the amended Immigration Rules in order to establish their Article 8 claim. If they are successful, they will initially be granted temporary leave to remain for 30 months. They will only be eligible to apply for permanent settlement after they have completed three further periods of temporary leave (i.e. after ten continuous years’ temporary residence). "
If you failed the rule then the Secretary of State has the right to grant leave out the rule with certain conditions been meet again.
Gentlemen keep up the good work. Very informative, thank you. Perhaps when all this is behind us we should set up some sort of charity to help people like ourselves with immigration issues. Just throwing it out there.Kukuwife wrote:Someone may be thinking how do you present your article 8. Note every point or issue will help and it will surprise you how judge or prosecutor will explain or expand your point.
Reading this case law may help one to see how the judge goes about judgment, however, I should warn that this case may not be the outcome we are expecting but it provide good idea of what happen in court.
http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2013CSIH52.html
Giveita100 wrote:Hello everyone,
I have been a silent follower of this forum for a long time, and want to say congratulations to all those that have been successful with their application and to those who were refused, don't give up just yet.
My story is this, I have been married to my wife for 4 years now and we have 3 kids but only the last is ours together. I was granted discretionary leave to remain 2 years ago after just 6 weeks of from the day I applied because I had a 5 years visit visa and been coming here almost every year until after my marriage and decided to stay. My wife and kids are all British citizen
I have a full time job and we are not receiving any benefit apart from child benefit because I earn about 35,000 per year.
Our marriage has come to a stand still and we might be separated soon, nothing I can do about it, as I continue to try to keep us going.
I am due for DL extension in October next year, even though we may not be legally divorced by then, would it affect my application if we separated? I will have access to my kids and pay regular monthly maintenance for the kids.
I cannot afford to loose my job and thus the reason I need advice.
Has anyone been separated or divorced and tried to extend their DLR before?
Hi Givelta welcome to the forum. You have nothing to worry about it would be acstraight forward extention. Because u are on dlr it has nothing to do with Ur marriage fill the flr(ltd) form important to put Ur finances I.e payslips and bankstatement. All d best for next yrGiveita100 wrote:Hello everyone,
I have been a silent follower of this forum for a long time, and want to say congratulations to all those that have been successful with their application and to those who were refused, don't give up just yet.
My story is this, I have been married to my wife for 4 years now and we have 3 kids but only the last is ours together. I was granted discretionary leave to remain 2 years ago after just 6 weeks of from the day I applied because I had a 5 years visit visa and been coming here almost every year until after my marriage and decided to stay. My wife and kids are all British citizen
I have a full time job and we are not receiving any benefit apart from child benefit because I earn about 35,000 per year.
Our marriage has come to a stand still and we might be separated soon, nothing I can do about it, as I continue to try to keep us going.
I am due for DL extension in October next year, even though we may not be legally divorced by then, would it affect my application if we separated? I will have access to my kids and pay regular monthly maintenance for the kids.
I cannot afford to loose my job and thus the reason I need advice.
Has anyone been separated or divorced and tried to extend their DLR before?
@carrotcakecarrotcake wrote:Good morning dear bloggers,
Hope you had a lovely night rest and feeling very refreshed this morning. It's a new day...new hope.
To those already granted, warm congratulations to y'all. To those who had their application refused, I pray to God to turn around the decision to favour you.
And to those waiting, keep your head head up, hope for the best. The heart of the King is in God's hand and he can turn wherever he wishes. He will turn the heart of case workers to favour us. Amen
This was my anchor scripture 2 years whilst I was battling with Immigration issues - Joshua 1: 3. "Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, just as I promised to Moses."
It worked for me. And I pray it works much more for you all
This week will bring good news for us all IJN. Have a great week guys, and remain blessed to be a blessing!
Big Amen!carrotcake wrote:Good morning dear bloggers,
Hope you had a lovely night rest and feeling very refreshed this morning. It's a new day...new hope.
To those already granted, warm congratulations to y'all. To those who had their application refused, I pray to God to turn around the decision to favour you.
And to those waiting, keep your head head up, hope for the best. The heart of the King is in God's hand and he can turn wherever he wishes. He will turn the heart of case workers to favour us. Amen
This was my anchor scripture 2 years whilst I was battling with Immigration issues - Joshua 1: 3. "Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, just as I promised to Moses."
It worked for me. And I pray it works much more for you all
This week will bring good news for us all IJN. Have a great week guys, and remain blessed to be a blessing!
Amen....Psalm 102v13....Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, the set time, is come.hatchsead wrote:I say a resounding A-M-E-N!!!!!!!!!!
Its good to see that life is returning to this forum, it was quiet all weekend. Good morning my people, may this week bring us good news and tidings in Jesus name
carrotcake wrote:Whilst we are awaiting for our visas guys, a good thing to do is to start brainstorming on business ideas, developing your skills preparing for the arrival of the VISA so that it can be maximised to the fullest.
I have mentioned severally that 7 years rule is not automatic unlike what it was before December 2008 before it was originally stopped. The applicant needs to proof that refusal / removal interfere with that family life - are there insurmountable obstacles to the family going back to live in their home country is the question that needs to be asked. Hence, we need to argue this case why you don't want to go back to home country and cite insurmountable obstacles to the family going back to get a favourable decision from HO.Shondra Sharma wrote:Good morning Forum, hope some good news coming today, all the best everyone, God bless. Home office did mass refusal under 7 year child case. Do you think home office confident doing this things? Probably they think they win the case in high court. What you think guys? They try to catch people under this rules.