moving to UK from Italy with my japanese wife

[Jambo]

This is to do with the airlines liability to make sure passengers have a relevant visa (if required).

Not applicable in your case.

[pacman76]

This is to do with the airlines liability to make sure passengers have a relevant visa (if required).

Not applicable in your case.

ah ok, perfect!
Thanks!

[pacman76]

I have another question for you guys.

Around July the 12nd, I and my wife went to London for a weekend. Of course at that time I didn't know I could have asked for a Code 1A stamp...

On August the 6th we have to go to London again, for 2 or 3 days, in order to find a flat. We will then come back in Italy and finally will move again in London around August the 20th.

What do you suggest? Is it better I already ask for a Code 1A stamp on August the 6th or I wait until the 20 of August?

[Jambo]

I would go for Code 1A.

The bottom line, if you are just visiting, is similar. However, going for Code 1A would:

a) Serve as a practice session for the real thing on the 20th.
b) Educate the IO in case he is not very familiar with the regulations so you would do a public service.

As I mentioned earlier:

See an example of the IO in the border refusing to allow to enter as EEA family member. The IO was wrong. Don't agree with him if he tries to pull the same trick on you and ask to speak to the Chief Immigration Officer (the manager). See EEA husband wasn't allow to enter UK as a EEA family member.

[sc2012uk]

maybe it's a good idea to say to the officer at the eu-gate: "we would like a code 1A stamp please, i am a eea citizen and here is our marriage certificate"

that way, you can prevent him from mistakenly putting a visitor stamp in the passport of your wife.
i noticed they are rather quick with their stamps...

[pacman76]

I would go for Code 1A.

The bottom line, if you are just visiting, is similar. However, going for Code 1A would:

a) Serve as a practice session for the real thing on the 20th.
b) Educate the IO in case he is not very familiar with the regulations so you would do a public service.

As I mentioned earlier:

See an example of the IO in the border refusing to allow to enter as EEA family member. The IO was wrong. Don't agree with him if he tries to pull the same trick on you and ask to speak to the Chief Immigration Officer (the manager). See EEA husband wasn't allow to enter UK as a EEA family member.

Ok, so maybe the best choice is to do it directly on August the 6th!

[pacman76]

maybe it's a good idea to say to the officer at the eu-gate: "we would like a code 1A stamp please, i am a eea citizen and here is our marriage certificate"

that way, you can prevent him from mistakenly putting a visitor stamp in the passport of your wife.
i noticed they are rather quick with their stamps...

Hope they will not just answer "you can't" or "you can't talk with the Chief Immigration Officer"...
(in Italy it could be really easy to receive an answer like that! )

[pacman76]

I would always carry an original. My wife and I actually got a couple of extra marriage certificates when we got married. Cheap and easy to do then.

If it is in a European language, I doubt it should be much problem. I am sure UKBA can even recognize a Japanese marriage certificate!

If it is in a remote Mongolian dialect, then they may need help. But I suspect the couple can enter in any case.

Hi, I read the quoted post only now.
I have with me official certificates emitted by the Town where I married.
Do you think it is enough? ( It has to be enough because they are the only certificates they give ). Moreover, in the "foreiner's permit to stay" that my wife received by the Italian Government it is clearly remarked that she is married with me.

[pacman76]

Hi guys,

I followed your advices and we got the code 1A stamp for my wife.
It worked exaclty as you suggested. The border officer just wanted to see my contract ( fortunatly I had it, but I think this is something that shouldn-t be asked ) and said that the best thing to do was asking an extension to the UK embassy in Italy... strange thing since at the embassy it doesn-t seem anymore possibile doing these things... anyway, no matter, I go the code 1A stamp...

Now, once I-m in UK, what I should do in order to get the resident card?
Thank you really much to all!

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

Hi guys,

I followed your advices and we got the code 1A stamp for my wife.
It worked exaclty as you suggested. The border officer just wanted to see my contract ( fortunatly I had it, but I think this is something that shouldn-t be asked ) and said that the best thing to do was asking an extension to the UK embassy in Italy... strange thing since at the embassy it doesn-t seem anymore possibile doing these things... anyway, no matter, I go the code 1A stamp...

Now, once I-m in UK, what I should do in order to get the resident card?
Thank you really much to all!

Great story. Good for you.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

Now, once I-m in UK, what I should do in order to get the resident card?

It all detailed here, please review and if you don't understand, feel free to ask.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucitizens/

[Jambo]

Hi guys,

I followed your advices and we got the code 1A stamp for my wife.
It worked exaclty as you suggested. The border officer just wanted to see my contract ( fortunatly I had it, but I think this is something that shouldn-t be asked ) and said that the best thing to do was asking an extension to the UK embassy in Italy... strange thing since at the embassy it doesn-t seem anymore possibile doing these things... anyway, no matter, I go the code 1A stamp...

Now, once I-m in UK, what I should do in order to get the resident card?
Thank you really much to all!

Good to hear it all went fine.

You are right - the contract is not required and you can't extend it in the embassy.

Well, if i remember right, you will have another chance to test it.

[pacman76]

Hi guys,

I followed your advices and we got the code 1A stamp for my wife.
It worked exaclty as you suggested. The border officer just wanted to see my contract ( fortunatly I had it, but I think this is something that shouldn-t be asked ) and said that the best thing to do was asking an extension to the UK embassy in Italy... strange thing since at the embassy it doesn-t seem anymore possibile doing these things... anyway, no matter, I go the code 1A stamp...

Now, once I-m in UK, what I should do in order to get the resident card?
Thank you really much to all!

Good to hear it all went fine.

You are right - the contract is not required and you can't extend it in the embassy.

Well, if i remember right, you will have another chance to test it.

Hi Jambo,

what you mean for "you wil have another chance to test it?". You are referring to the fact that I have to go back in UK at the end of august? Yes, that's right. I will go again there saying "we have the code 1A"

[pacman76]

Now, once I-m in UK, what I should do in order to get the resident card?

It all detailed here, please review and if you don't understand, feel free to ask.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucitizens/

Thank you.

I read what I have to do at the link "http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... /applying/"

So what they ask is to compile the EEA2 application form and send it by post together with the documents and pictures required.

My questions are:

1) is there a secure way to send these documents by post (I'm scared to lose our documents and, moreover, my wife's passport)? Can I do it when I move to London in few days? Of course I will not do it by Italy, because I'm scared to lose everything ( in Italy happens... ).

2) they also ask "evidence that the EEA or Swiss national is currently exercising European Treaty rights in the UK"... is my job contract enough? Again, they ask for the original documents... do I have to trust to send my contract by post?

many thanks for your reply!

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

Copy everything

Mail it by special delivery and keep the receipt

You have to do it by post.

A job contract is fine, or a pay slip, or even a letter from your employer. One of these only.

A passport. A marriage certificate. And an EU ID card or passport.

Done

[pacman76]

Copy everything

Mail it by special delivery and keep the receipt

You have to do it by post.

A job contract is fine, or a pay slip, or even a letter from your employer. One of these only.

A passport. A marriage certificate. And an EU ID card or passport.

Done

Hi,

when you say "copy everything" you mean I have to keep with me simple photocopies of all the docs I will send to UKBA?

What I'm really scared about is that my wife will be without any passport with her until UKBA will send back all the docs...

[pacman76]

Hi guys, maybe you are all in holyday
Did you have the time to read my last post?
If I send the passport of my wife, how can she goes around London? It is the only document she has...

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

Copy everything

Mail it by special delivery and keep the receipt

You have to do it by post.

A job contract is fine, or a pay slip, or even a letter from your employer. One of these only.

A passport. A marriage certificate. And an EU ID card or passport.

Done

Hi,

when you say "copy everything" you mean I have to keep with me simple photocopies of all the docs I will send to UKBA?

What I'm really scared about is that my wife will be without any passport with her until UKBA will send back all the docs...

When you are applying for a Residence Card, you do need to send off her non-EU passport and your EU ID card or EU passport.

You can ask for them to be immediately returned to you, in a cover letter with the application. If you do not get them back within 4 weeks, then follow up with UKBA.

Is there a specific reason your wife needs her passport?

[pacman76]

Infact, the only reason is that it is the only document she has. I mean, what happens, by example, if a policeman asks for her document? Or if for some reason she needs to go to the hospital? Do u think a fotocopy of the document is enough in these cases?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

Infact, the only reason is that it is the only document she has. I mean, what happens, by example, if a policeman asks for her document? Or if for some reason she needs to go to the hospital? Do u think a fotocopy of the document is enough in these cases?

So why exactly are you getting a RC? Does she want to work immediately?

Remember that as long as she is with you, she already has legal status in the UK.

With a Japanese passport, she does not immediately need it for travel (though good to have in any case). She should however carry a copy of your passport or ID card, and of your marriage certificate.

You should register immediately for NHS coverage on arrival in the UK. You might have to show a passport, or maybe not. It has been so long ago that I can not remember. I have never had to show a passport for treatment, eg. at a hospital or doctor's office.

If I were her, I personally would open a bank account, get NHS coverage, and maybe get a drivers license if she does not already have an Italian one and it is needed. And then I would send in the RC application, along with a letter that asks for the immediate return of the supporting documents.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

You should register immediately for NHS coverage on arrival in the UK. You might have to show a passport, or maybe not. It has been so long ago that I can not remember. I have never had to show a passport for treatment, eg. at a hospital or doctor's office.

Check with your local NHS surgery as to what exactly they require. Requirements do vary slightly across the UK. However, in your case, possession of an employment contract and your marriage certificate plus your passports will be enough to register both of you. They may also want to see prove of address - lease, utility bill for example.

[pacman76]

So why exactly are you getting a RC? Does she want to work immediately?

Basically, I would like she could be free of moving without depending on me for everything. It would make her life easier. And, moreover, she would like to start to work.

Remember that as long as she is with you, she already has legal status in the UK.

According to the "Immigration Regulation"?
Yesterday the agency through which I rent an apartment ( I will move on the 25th ) asked me "What if your wife will not get a visa?" and then "Could you pay 2 or 3 months in advance?". Which is the article that states that my wife has already a legal status to stay in UK? I would like to show them to avoid paying too many months in advance...

If I were her, I personally would open a bank account, get NHS coverage, and maybe get a drivers license if she does not already have an Italian one and it is needed. And then I would send in the RC application, along with a letter that asks for the immediate return of the supporting documents.

Maybe the driving licence will take time since she has a japanese driving licence. But we will surely ask for a NHS coverage as soon as we arrive.

I have never had to show a passport for treatment, eg. at a hospital or doctor's office.

What if a policeman for some reason need to see her document? I know it is rare a situation, but in the case a "policeman" will ask for her documents while we are in London, do you think a photocopy of her passport could be sufficient?


Sorry for all these questions... just trying to understand how it works...

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

See http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... ts-family/

Do you need to apply?
You do not need to obtain documents confirming your right of residence in the UK if you are a family member of an EEA national.

However, you may be inconvenienced if you do not obtain this confirmation, as:

you may have difficulty proving that you are lawfully resident in the UK;
if you leave the UK, you will usually need to obtain an EEA family permit before returning here, in order to guarantee readmission as the family member of a qualified EEA national; and
you may find it difficult to obtain or change employment.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

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Yesterday the agency through which I rent an apartment ( I will move on the 25th ) asked me "What if your wife will not get a visa?" and then "Could you pay 2 or 3 months in advance?". Which is the article that states that my wife has already a legal status to stay in UK? I would like to show them to avoid paying too many months in advance...

I would be very annoyed about this if I were you. I would not be inclined to pay more than the normal lease terms.

Have you started renting yet? If not and they persist with their demands for extra cash, consider taking your business elsewhere.

[pacman76]

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Yesterday the agency through which I rent an apartment ( I will move on the 25th ) asked me "What if your wife will not get a visa?" and then "Could you pay 2 or 3 months in advance?". Which is the article that states that my wife has already a legal status to stay in UK? I would like to show them to avoid paying too many months in advance...

I would be very annoyed about this if I were you. I would not be inclined to pay more than the normal lease terms.

Have you started renting yet? If not and they persist with their demands for extra cash, consider taking your business elsewhere.

Hi! Yes, I already paid the deposit and the first month, but then they asked me if I could pau 2 months more... I said I couldn't. We will see what will happen